# Dougie\_monty is an immoral cultist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993 "2014-08-20T13:31:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/21 "2014-08-20T18:42:11Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I could’ve sworn I remembered Michael Jackson having converted to Islam. A Brit tabloid ran an article about him converting, but it was unsubstantiated bullshit. His brother, Jermaine, converted some time ago. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/22 "2014-08-20T19:48:37Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I don’t know how old dougie is, but before finding out he was a JW, my impression was that he was an isolated 12-year old. When challenged on any of his convictions, he would either answer with a poo-poo diaper joke, or avoid the question with something like “I’ll look it up in the dictionary when I get home.” He’s obviously not interested in knowledgeable discourse. He’s just enjoying the negative attention and tallying his martyr points. I can’t remember which post I read it in, and I can’t be bothered to look for it, but I think he’s in his 60s. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/23 "2014-08-20T21:05:55Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Michael Jackson was too, although I cannot say if he was one still when he died. He wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/24 "2014-08-20T21:47:15Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I can’t remember which post I read it in, and I can’t be bothered to look for it, but I think he’s in his 60s. I turned 65 this June. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/25 "2014-08-20T21:48:17Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Pitting dougie is like kicking a puppy. Unquestionably reprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/26 "2014-08-20T21:50:42Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You don’t know that. Maybe he gave her the HIV. I here that’s going around. As I see it, if he so much as busted her cherry she was hurt. Or can’t you take her parents’ concern into consideration? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/27 "2014-08-20T21:51:49Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Unquestionably reprehensible. which part? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/28 "2014-08-20T21:53:01Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I don’t know how old dougie is, but before finding out he was a JW, my impression was that he was an isolated 12-year old. When challenged on any of his convictions, he would either answer with a poo-poo diaper joke, or avoid the question with something like “I’ll look it up in the dictionary when I get home.” He’s obviously not interested in knowledgeable discourse. He’s just enjoying the negative attention and tallying his martyr points. Is that how you get your exercise? Jumping to conclusions? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/29 "2014-08-20T21:54:11Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > As I see it, if he so much as busted her cherry she was hurt. Or can’t you take her parents’ concern into consideration? So…shunning him his entire social circle and throwing him out of the house at 16 is an appropriate response? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/30 "2014-08-20T22:13:06Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Here is the immediate context of your quote. > > That first bit was a response to you [wondering how anyone could object to such shunning practices in the first place](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17648559#post17648559)! If you don’t hold the position that these actions were justified, well then I’m sorry, but you need to work on communicating better! When someone asks you “Just to be clear, you don’t see anything wrong with doing this horrible thing to these people” and your response is “fuck those people!”, _999 times out of a thousand, that will be read as “no, I don’t see anything wrong with that”._ You made it very clear to us that you had no problem with this person being ostracized in the post I quoted in the OP. Post 98 of that thread. > > Of course, your defense of that is horrible, but it’s not quite as bad as the whole attitude here. You’ve been given countless examples of people who lost friends and family because they either lapsed in belief or did something the religious group found objectionable or even just stopped participating as actively! And the result? Well, the rules are apparently pretty clear - they aren’t to be associated with. That’s antisocial behavior. That’s \*cult \*behavior. And you see nothing wrong with it. It’s not about seeking these people out, mind you - it’s about being willing, on the drop of a hat, to completely abandon people who you know and love and may even be related to. I’d probably not start a relationship with someone I knew had a heroin addiction. But if my current girlfriend of almost 2 years started taking it, I would move heaven and earth to help her before I even think about abandoning her, and I wouldn’t abandon her unless the addiction started to hurt me and my life in a nasty way. You know, because I _care_ about this person. These are not random people you choose not to associate with. These are FRIENDS AND FAMILY! That kid who got drunk and fucked the elder’s daughter? He got to watch as one childish mistake (that didn’t even hurt anybody!) led to his family completely turning their backs on him - as though he had shown up at grandpa’s funeral and skullfucked the corpse, then used its spine to strangle grandma. This is what this kind of shunning does. As if being told “you will never get to heaven” isn’t bad enough. > > Will you renounce this behavior? Will you say “No, I do not stand for this”? Because when given the chance earlier, your response was basically “Ha ha, serves 'em right!”. That’s insanely dickish. Don’t put words in my mouth. I probably have more experience with drunkenness than you do–my father, my stepfather, my former brother-in-law. And on the day of my high school graduation, one guy was moved into the line about to go out onto the field to "Pomp and “Circumstance”–and he was obviously drunk. Did I have the impulse to go knock him down? No; I knew he would walk across the platform, and make a fool of himself without me making a move. (He was one of a group of kids who had been ragging me for years. ) I never saw him again. As for the girl, you may notice that I said I agreed with you there… by all means contact the police, and a lawyer if feasible; what the parents’ relationship with her would be should depend on whether It was consensual. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/31 "2014-08-20T22:14:57Z")
> [@simster](#): > > which part? Puppies of course. They are so messy. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/32 "2014-08-20T22:15:13Z")
> [@simster](#): > > which part? Oh, come on–how many parts ARE there? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/33 "2014-08-20T22:19:21Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > So…shunning him his entire social circle and throwing him out of the house at 16 is an appropriate response? Oh, that’s what the boy’s parents did to him?a gesture of contrition sure to be appreciated by the parents of the girl…who might otherwise file a paternity suit. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/34 "2014-08-20T22:21:22Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Puppies of course. They are so messy. Is that how you get your jollies? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/35 "2014-08-20T22:21:36Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Oh, that’s what the boy’s parents did to him?a gesture of contrition sure to be appreciated by the parents of the girl…who might otherwise file a paternity suit. So is that a yes it’s appropriate, or a no it isn’t? To remind you, here is the story - > [@](#): > > I was disfellowshipped at the age of 16 for drinking and “hooking up” with the elders daughter … basically being a common teenager. My whole family turned me away - I was homeless from 16 - 18. I was able to create a great life for myself as time went on but haven’t spoken with my parents since I was 16. I’m now 31 and I have no clue who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/36 "2014-08-20T22:39:09Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Is that how you get your jollies? I hope the OP gets my point. It’s like picking on that kid in school. You know, _that_ kid. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/37 "2014-08-20T22:59:00Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > As for the girl, you may notice that I said I agreed with you there… by all means contact the police, and a lawyer if feasible; what the parents’ relationship with her would be should depend on whether > It was consensual. Just so I’m clear: are you saying if the teenage daughter of an elder had consensual sex, she should be shunned by her family? Because if so, that’s not helping your case. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/38 "2014-08-20T23:02:05Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > So is that a yes it’s appropriate, or a no it isn’t? > > To remind you, here is the story - Well, the kid brought this on himself…is he to blame, or isn’t he? What would YOU say is appropriate punishment (if any) for what he did? And don’t blame "society. " ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/39 "2014-08-20T23:05:31Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Well, the kid brought this on himself…is he to blame, or isn’t he? > What would YOU say is appropriate punishment (if any) for what he did? > And don’t blame "society. " Why do you think the appropriate punishment for drinking and having sex is completely cutting off your child? At this point I’m thinking you honestly don’t see how psychotic that is. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/40 "2014-08-20T23:07:21Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Well, the kid brought this on himself…is he to blame, or isn’t he? > What would YOU say is appropriate punishment (if any) for what he did? > And don’t blame "society. " Is a simple yes or no too much for you? Either you are ok with taking away a 16 year olds church and social circle and then making him homeless because he did some drinking and had sex or you aren’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993.md?page=3)