# Dougie\_monty is an immoral cultist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993 "2014-08-20T13:31:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/81 "2014-08-21T15:07:03Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Jesus H. Christ, doug. Can you every admit that the JW’s just once made a mistake? Of course, they cannot admit to it. Even in [1975](http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1975.php) You’ll have to excuse me, Annie. I have read all of Jan Harold Brunvand’s urban legend books and so II am skeptical about such undocumented incidents. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/82 "2014-08-21T15:10:18Z")
Watchtower quotes are undocumented??? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/83 "2014-08-21T15:37:43Z")
If only. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/84 "2014-08-21T15:42:14Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Watchtower quotes are undocumented??? I said “undocumented” because when I asked for documentation in the first place I didn’t get any. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/85 "2014-08-21T15:48:22Z")
Do you admit that the JW’s predicted Jesus’s second coming many times and it didn’t happen? [CITE](http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/86 "2014-08-21T15:52:21Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Lego Bible? ?😕 [Lego bible.](http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_23a.html) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/87 "2014-08-21T16:04:40Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I said “undocumented” because when I asked for documentation in the first place I didn’t get any. Where would this documentation be kept dougie? Who would have access to it? As far as other documentation - you get it handed to you repeatedly - you constant denial of “getting documentation” is laughable. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/88 "2014-08-21T16:09:31Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I have made it clear that nobody has ever inhibited my choice of reading material. There is no Thought Police restricting my reading or research; I have read matter from \* The Invisible Man \* by Ralph Ellison, to Archie Comic Digests, to \* Mad \*. And I have read the Bible (I have several versions) five times. > > As far as content of the SDMB is concerned, well, it pales in comparison to what I’ve seen on rest room walls. And if THAT doesn’t faze me… Do you visit ‘christian’ bookstores? Do you read other peoples views on the bible and bible related topics? You realize that both of those are disfellowshippable offenses - right? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/89 "2014-08-21T16:10:29Z")
Have you ever talked to anyone who left the JW’s? Or someone who was disfellowshipped? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/90 "2014-08-21T16:12:20Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Have you ever talked to anyone who left the JW’s? Or someone who was disfellowshipped? Also a disfellowhippable offense - unless he’s an elder - and then only with specific guidelines (twice a year, only to discuss coming back, etc ). ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/91 "2014-08-21T16:22:00Z")
[Cultwatch](http://www.cultwatch.com/jw.html) on Jehovah’s Witnesses. > [@](#): > > They believe that salvation is impossible outside of the Watchtower. > They are not allowed to question the Watchtower leadership or teaching. > They claim you need to read the Watchtower’s magazines and other material in order to understand the Bible correctly. If you don’t read the Watchtower’s books, you will “fall into darkness” – what they call reverting to normal Christianity. > They have falsely predicted the end of the world five times. > They have just changed a major Watchtower prediction that the end of the world would come before the generation of Witnesses born before 1914 died. Enough documentation for you? Or are you going to criticize cultwatch? I’d like to see your denials for the above. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/92 "2014-08-21T16:33:18Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Or are you going to criticize cultwatch? Of course he will. What do you realistically expect here? ---
**Author:** ![PorchePine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@PorchePine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PorchePine)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/93 "2014-08-21T17:01:33Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Of course he will. What do you realistically expect here? I expect him to make claims of “looking into it” without any follow-up. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/94 "2014-08-21T17:49:43Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I have made it clear that nobody has ever inhibited my choice of reading material. There is no Thought Police restricting my reading or research; I have read matter from \* The Invisible Man \* by Ralph Ellison, to Archie Comic Digests, to \* Mad \*. And I have read the Bible (I have several versions) five times. - The Invisible Man \*was written in 1952, and you didn’t read the whole book. Archie comics and Mad Magazine aren’t exactly cutting edge fiction and can be found in abundance at any yard sale. If you’re basing your worldly knowledge on that kind of reading material, you’ve got a loooooooong way to go. You’re barely at grade school level. OP, dougie isn’t immoral. He’s just incredibly naive. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/95 "2014-08-21T19:38:32Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Don’t put words in my mouth. I probably have more experience with drunkenness than you do–my father, my stepfather, my former brother-in-law. I certainly hope the good people of the JW disfellowshipped them for their own good. > [@](#): > > As for the girl,. I certainly hope the good people of the JW faith disfellowshipped her for her own good. BTW, you still haven’t addressed **simster** in the other thread like you said you would this morning. You can’t use the excuse you’re too busy as you’ve been posting in this thread last night and all morning. You said this last night just after 10PM. > [@Would it be evil for me to give Jehovah Witnesses handouts from JWFacts.com when they come here?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-it-be-evil-for-me-to-give-jehovah-witnesses-handouts-from-jwfacts-com-when-they-come-here/695774/152): > > Oh, all right. I admit I’ve been putting it off. But I was away all evening and had no chance to go back to that post. I promise I’ll take it up in the morning. :o It’s after noon. You still have not addressed it. You are a confirmed liar. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/96 "2014-08-21T19:38:47Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > OP, dougie isn’t immoral. He’s just incredibly naive. And [tetchy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17643886&postcount=251). ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/97 "2014-08-21T19:46:17Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > And [tetchy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17643886&postcount=251). To be fair, who among us likes being sassed? _Sassed_, I say! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/98 "2014-08-21T19:50:31Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > - The Invisible Man \*was written in 1952, and you didn’t read the whole book. Archie comics and Mad Magazine aren’t exactly cutting edge fiction and can be found in abundance at any yard sale. If you’re basing your worldly knowledge on that kind of reading material, you’ve got a loooooooong way to go. You’re barely at grade school level. > > OP, dougie isn’t immoral. He’s just incredibly naive. I understand the contradiction now. His physical age may be 65, but his mental age is 12. Mad? I was a fervent reader as a kid, but most adults have graduated to some more sophisticated stuff. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/99 "2014-08-21T19:50:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Do you visit ‘christian’ book stores? Do you read other peoples views on the bible and bible related topics? > You realize that both of those are disfellowshippable offenses - right? [QUOTE=Knowed Out 17659482] - The Invisible Man \*was written in 1952, and you didn’t read the whole book. Archie comics and Mad Magazine aren’t exactly cutting edge fiction and can be found in abundance at any yard sale. If you’re basing your worldly knowledge on that kind of reading material, you’ve got a loooooooong way to go. You’re barely at grade school level. OP, dougie isn’t immoral. He’s just incredibly naive. [/QUOTE] Don’t tell me what I didn’t read, Buster. I was assigned that book in a college middle -level literature course; our final exam was to write a composition on the novel ( I got an A for the final and the course). The other examples were given to show the range of my reading; I also have books by authors such as Isaac Asimov and Jan Harold Brunvand. Once again, don’t tell me what I didn’t read. If you do I will report the post and I may talk to my lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/100 "2014-08-21T19:53:26Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Hmmm…are you by chance familiar with the songs of Tom Lehrer? Which song exactly? Smut? My Home Town? I Got it from Agnes? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993.md?page=6)