# Downton Abbey S4 - spoiler-free until broadcast in the U.S. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 2, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844 "2013-03-02T19:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/421 "2014-02-10T22:15:57Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > Daisy needs to grow the hell up. > > I really did enjoy Violet and Isobel bonding, and Rosamund was perfection. I hope we keep seeing more of her. > > Rose could go back to wherever she came from and I wouldn’t miss her. Violet and Isobel were not at all bonding. Violet was holding her nose and being polite out of courtesy because Isobel saved her life. That was a brilliantly funny scene but it wasn’t meant to be warm and fuzzy. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/422 "2014-02-10T22:20:39Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Violet and Isobel were not at all bonding. Violet was holding her nose and being polite out of courtesy because Isobel saved her life. That was a brilliantly funny scene but it wasn’t meant to be warm and fuzzy. Meh, I like them together sparring and whatever. They like each other whether they admit it or not. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/423 "2014-02-10T22:28:09Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > Meh, I like them together sparring and whatever. They like each other whether they admit it or not. Yes. There is a grudging mutual respect. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/424 "2014-02-10T22:41:23Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Gods, that pig scene was so predictable it was painful. Seriously, they throw mud at each afterward? That was cute the first 306,789,213 times it’s been done, but has lost luster the next 974,810,013 times… Ugh. Yeah, that was a contrived scene that felt like it was lifted straight out of a really bad rom-com. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/425 "2014-02-10T23:06:21Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Violet and Isobel were not at all bonding. Violet was holding her nose and being polite out of courtesy because Isobel saved her life. That was a brilliantly funny scene but it wasn’t meant to be warm and fuzzy. True, but it sure was funny watching Dr Clarkson put the Dowager in her place. 🙂 BTW is anyone else utterly shocked that Mary knows how to make scrambled eggs? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/426 "2014-02-10T23:18:59Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Yeah, that was a contrived scene that felt like it was lifted straight out of a really bad rom-com. Throwing “mud” at each other at the end was too much on top of a scene that was already too much. I put \*mud \*in quotation marks because surely by the time they had gone back and forth from the pig pen to the pump a few times, there was pig shit mixed in with the mud. Ewww. ---
**Author:** ![InsomniaMama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ad7895/32.png) [@InsomniaMama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InsomniaMama)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/427 "2014-02-10T23:22:47Z")
Was anyone wondering where the albatross farm was? Did I fool anyone?! :o ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/428 "2014-02-10T23:30:43Z")
> [@InsomniaMama](#): > > Was anyone wondering where the albatross farm was? Did I fool anyone?! :o You forgot to mention the red herring aquaculture center. ---
**Author:** ![kath94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/67e7ee/32.png) [@kath94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kath94)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/429 "2014-02-10T23:32:15Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > True, but it sure was funny watching Dr Clarkson put the Dowager in her place. 🙂 BTW is anyone else utterly shocked that Mary knows how to make scrambled eggs? YES. I remember Sybil asking to learn how to boil water before heading off to nursing training, and here is Mary scrambling eggs & knowing where to find everything in the kitchen. My husband, on the other hand, seems to recall Mary learning to cook earlier. …and wouldn’t her Lady’s Maid be expected to wait up for her, regardless of the time she came home? I thought it odd that everyone had gone to bed. Leaving the key in the door?!? When, for all Mr. Carson knows, Anna was raped by a stranger who just wandered in? Mrs. Hughes knows better, but wouldn’t you think she’d play along to legitimize her “story?”😕 ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/430 "2014-02-10T23:37:27Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > When, for all Mr. Carson knows, Anna was raped by a stranger who just wandered in? Carson doesn’t know jack. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/431 "2014-02-10T23:52:33Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > YES. I remember Sybil asking to learn how to boil water before heading off to nursing training, and here is Mary scrambling eggs & knowing where to find everything in the kitchen. My husband, on the other hand, seems to recall Mary learning to cook earlier. I have a vague memory of that as well. Like when she was a precocious little kid. > [@](#): > > Leaving the key in the door?!? When, for all Mr. Carson knows, Anna was raped by a stranger who just wandered in? Mrs. Hughes knows better, but wouldn’t you think she’d play along to legitimize her “story?”😕 That occurred to me too. Why even have a key? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/432 "2014-02-10T23:57:47Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > …and wouldn’t her Lady’s Maid be expected to wait up for her, regardless of the time she came home? I thought it odd that everyone had gone to bed… A lady’s maid would be expected to wait up for her mistress unless she was given specific instructions not too. I can buy Mary telling Anna not to wait up and just go home with Bates after supper though. It’s a lot more plausible than her cooking. She not only knew where everything was she knew how to light & use a wood burning stove (or do they just leave it burning all night). ---
**Author:** ![Motorgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e36b37/32.png) [@Motorgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Motorgirl)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/433 "2014-02-11T00:10:38Z")
Those stoves are huge. I’ll bet they have to leave at least part of it hot overnight or they’d never get enough heat to cook breakfast. Just a guess tho. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/434 "2014-02-11T00:46:31Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > …Rose could go back to wherever she came from and I wouldn’t miss her. I confess I rather like Rose. She fills exactly the same DA niche as Lady Sybil did: the beautiful young aristocrat, yearning to grow up and have fun, delighting in doing new things that shock her elders, and falling in love with handsome but inappropriate young men. > [@kath94](#): > > …Leaving the key in the door?!? When, for all Mr. Carson knows, Anna was raped by a stranger who just wandered in? Mrs. Hughes knows better, but wouldn’t you think she’d play along to legitimize her “story?”😕 My wife and I wondered the same thing. That was bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/435 "2014-02-11T03:05:46Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I confess I rather like Rose. She fills exactly the same DA niche as Lady Sybil did: the beautiful young aristocrat, yearning to grow up and have fun, delighting in doing new things that shock her elders, and falling in love with handsome but inappropriate young men. > My wife and I wondered the same thing. That was bizarre. Carson doesn’t know that Anna was raped. Bates and Lady Mary do. Only Anna and Mrs Hughes (officially) know the truth. I thought up was a great episode. I was expecting to see Dr. Clarkson be the abortion doctor! ---
**Author:** ![MsJinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@MsJinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsJinx)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/436 "2014-02-11T04:13:12Z")
Going back a few episodes, I keep recalling Robert’s descriptions of the card sharp - ‘rather a tyke’ and Edith’s beau - ‘a good cove’. I was surprised at his usage of what may have been considered slang. Anyone hear of those terms before? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/437 "2014-02-11T04:56:06Z")
I’ve heard “cove” but not “tyke”, not in that context anyway. “Cove” is fairly common in novels from that period, and earlier. Dickens, surely. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/438 "2014-02-11T05:13:48Z")
It’s up! [http://happyplace.someecards.com/29207/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-4-episode-6](http://happyplace.someecards.com/29207/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-4-episode-6) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/439 "2014-02-11T08:10:34Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Carson doesn’t know that Anna was raped. Bates and Lady Mary do. Only Anna and Mrs Hughes (officially) know the truth. > > I thought up was a great episode. I was expecting to see Dr. Clarkson be the abortion doctor! She couldn’t go to someone she knows for an abortion. And she can’t have the kid there so she’ll be off to America or somewhere obscure for reasons to be decided. And I’m not buying Rose snuggling up to a black musician. It would be social suicide akin to turning tricks. they’d pack her off to Alaska if caught. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/440 "2014-02-11T08:56:46Z")
Just watched it again. didn’t realize the rapist verbally placed himself at the scene of the crime in front of Mr Bates. So now John knows to a high degree of certainty who raped his wife. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844.md?page=23)