# Downton Abbey S4 - spoiler-free until broadcast in the U.S. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 2, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844 "2013-03-02T19:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/441 "2014-02-11T11:22:15Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > She couldn’t go to someone she knows for an abortion. Of course not! I meant that she saw that she saw him through the door and that was why she bolted. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/442 "2014-02-11T13:53:59Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I have a vague memory of that as well. Like when she was a precocious little kid… We never saw Mary as a kid, precocious or otherwise. Sibyl requested cooking lessons when she decided to become a nurse. Lord Fellowes wanted Mary to know how to scramble eggs, so she knew. Fanwank has Matthew teaching her–after all, the show skipped over much of their married life. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/443 "2014-02-11T14:13:53Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > We never saw Mary as a kid, precocious or otherwise. Sibyl requested cooking lessons when she decided to become a nurse. > > Lord Fellowes wanted Mary to know how to scramble eggs, so she knew. Fanwank has Matthew teaching her–after all, the show skipped over much of their married life. I thought in one episode Carson was relating stories about Mary being a precocious little child and that’s when we heard she learned to cook. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/444 "2014-02-11T14:45:20Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I thought in one episode Carson was relating stories about Mary being a precocious little child and that’s when we heard she learned to cook. Yes. That’s what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/445 "2014-02-11T16:24:04Z")
Poor Edith. Did the “next week” promo imply that she was going to enter into a marriage of convenience with… one of the _tenants_??! Or did I misunderstand. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/446 "2014-02-13T13:44:51Z")
> [@Quercus\_alba](#): > > It’s up! [http://happyplace.someecards.com/29207/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-4-episode-6](http://happyplace.someecards.com/29207/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-4-episode-6) Brilliant as usual. I particularly liked the band leader and Rose picture with the comment “Our names are Jack and Rose and we are literally in a boat. This can’t end well.” Another good ep. Highlights - [ul][li]Mrs. Patmore and her “yes yes - we’ve got the flu”.[/li][li]Isobel’s “You’re not allowed to die until I beat your ass at gin rummy”[/li][li]The unconsciously supercilious remark from Mary to the servant - “You’re getting up, so it’s time I go to bed” plus “I’ve shown my new love interest how down-to-earth I am, so clean up my mess in the kitchen”. It’s not so bad being a pig farmer as long as you can sleep 'til noon the next day.[/ul]And apparently some French guy has taken a shine to Albert, eh? Maybe he has been influenced by Thomas. 😉 [/li] So Michael checked into his hotel in Munich and then disappeared. Is he trying to dump Edith? Kidnapped and held to ransom by Turks? Scheming to burn down the Reichstag? That nursery is going to get crowded, what with Edith’s love child, Tom’s next child by the woman he met at the political lecture, and Rose’s child by the band leader, alongside Sybil Jr. and George. I can’t remember - did Anna say anything to indicate that she is not pregnant from the rape? Maybe that is the next development. Along with Mrs. Hughes scheming in concert with Thomas and the new maid with the sewing machine to kill the rapist to prevent Bates from killing him and going on trial again. They will bash him on the head with the sewing machine, and feed him to the new pigs. Mary will help them, and so will the guy from the Ministry to ingratiate himself with Mary and try to get into her pants. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/447 "2014-02-13T14:35:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > e. I can’t remember - did Anna say anything to indicate that she is not pregnant from the rape? Maybe that is the next development. A conversation between Anna and Mrs Hughes last week (or 2 weeks ago?) put that plot development to rest [thank God] – Mrs Hughes said something along the lines of “well, at least you’re not pregnant”. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_from\_CB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@Alex\_from\_CB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_from_CB)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/448 "2014-02-13T19:18:17Z")
Re Mary and the guy in the pig mud… I half expected the next scene to be them _running through the park in slow motion._ And now Mary has actually worked a few hours in her life so she’s got that going for her. Edith’s boy Michael… We found out he checked into his hotel in Munchen and went out that evening… Of course. For ein beer. While drinking his litre at the beer hall round the corner from his hotel…a ruckus breaks out. Cops come in an arrest everyone, Michael included. I’m telling you he’s sitting in a Munich jail with a little, Austrian paper hanging son of a bitch. But he’ll be released in time to come home, marry Edith and be a daddy. Bates is going to go all …Luca Brasi… on Green. He won’t get busted for his action, either. Even if there’s evidence he’ll get off since his action will be justifiable. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/449 "2014-02-13T19:40:04Z")
Anyone remember Mr Wu’s pigs from the HBO series Deadwood? On that show, set in a nineteenth century Old West mining town, the Chinese owner of a laundry service kept some pigs that were used in a couple of episodes for body disposal (i.e., the pigs ate the corpses). But I doubt this show will go that direction. It’s not very genteel. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/450 "2014-02-13T19:57:40Z")
I’m wondering if Mr. Bates is going to discreetly verify if anybody else came down from the concert while it was going on. He’s going to remember the general seating arrangement so he need only ask those who he isn’t sure if. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/451 "2014-02-13T19:59:07Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Anyone remember Mr Wu’s pigs from the HBO series Deadwood? > > On that show, set in a nineteenth century Old West mining town, the Chinese owner of a laundry service kept some pigs that were used in a couple of episodes for body disposal (i.e., the pigs ate the corpses). > > But I doubt this show will go that direction. It’s not very genteel. I was actually thinking the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/452 "2014-02-13T20:18:41Z")
> [@Alex\_from\_CB](#): > > Bates is going to go all …Luca Brasi… on Green. He won’t get busted for his action, either. Even if there’s evidence he’ll get off since his action will be justifiable. As I recall from the movie, all Luca did was try to go undercover and winds up getting his hand nailed to the bar. The book Luca, though, cuts somebody’s legs off with a chainsaw. I could see Bates doing that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/453 "2014-02-13T21:08:28Z")
Here’s the MP Tom went to see in Ripon: [John Ward (trade unionist) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ward_(trade_unionist)). ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/454 "2014-02-13T21:09:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m wondering if Mr. Bates is going to discreetly verify if anybody else came down from the concert while it was going on. He’s going to remember the general seating arrangement so he need only ask those who he isn’t sure if. He doesn’t need to do that. Green said at dinner that he left during the concert and went downstairs. When he said that, Bates had a look of realization on his face. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/455 "2014-02-15T01:47:14Z")
What if Lady Mary became a hardass American cop in 2014?: [http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/downton-abbey-michelle-dockery-spoof-2995265#.Uvoa6\_5C9GL.facebook](http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/downton-abbey-michelle-dockery-spoof-2995265#.Uvoa6_5C9GL.facebook) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/456 "2014-02-15T02:12:17Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > He doesn’t need to do that. Green said at dinner that he left during the concert and went downstairs. When he said that, Bates had a look of realization on his face. Yes that raises the level of certainty but it’s not iron clad enough to do something about it. I believe he did say the person responsible is a dead man. Still, I don’t think this actor has a long term contract with the series. ---
**Author:** ![InsomniaMama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ad7895/32.png) [@InsomniaMama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InsomniaMama)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/457 "2014-02-15T02:54:08Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What if Lady Mary became a hardass American cop in 2014?: [http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/downton-abbey-michelle-dockery-spoof-2995265#.Uvoa6\_5C9GL.facebook](http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/downton-abbey-michelle-dockery-spoof-2995265#.Uvoa6_5C9GL.facebook) That Was AWESOME. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/458 "2014-02-15T14:51:07Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What if Lady Mary became a hardass American cop in 2014?: [http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/downton-abbey-michelle-dockery-spoof-2995265#.Uvoa6\_5C9GL.facebook](http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/downton-abbey-michelle-dockery-spoof-2995265#.Uvoa6_5C9GL.facebook) I love it! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/459 "2014-02-17T02:43:49Z")
Is Cora dumb as a box of rocks, or what? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844/460 "2014-02-17T05:24:00Z")
That was a boring episode. It was all a bunch of meh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s4-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/651844.md?page=24)