# Downton Abbey S5 - spoiler-free until broadcast in the U.S.

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [July 28, 2014, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244 "2014-07-28T15:03:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/481 "2015-02-25T18:29:14Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Yes, and Lord Grantham is a Earl (thus a Peer) and the Lord Lieutenant. No Constable is going to be rude to him.

Yeah, and talking to Lady Mary that way?? I know the times they are a-changin’, but they ain’t a-changin’ THAT much.

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**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/482 "2015-02-25T23:11:50Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Yes, and Lord Grantham is a Earl (thus a Peer) and the Lord Lieutenant. No Constable is going to be rude to him.

Maybe a Yorkshire constable, but a Londoner? To a big city cop, you’re either important in the city, or you’re not important at all.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/483 "2015-02-25T23:22:11Z")

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> [@Alessan](#):
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> Maybe a Yorkshire constable, but a Londoner? To a big city cop, you’re either important in the city, or you’re not important at all.

He’s a Peer and the Lord Lieutenant- he’s important in the whole UK. Mind you that wouldnt stop the arrest, sure, but they’d be\* much\* more polite.

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**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/484 "2015-02-25T23:42:03Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> He’s a Peer and the Lord Lieutenant- he’s important in the whole UK. Mind you that wouldnt stop the arrest, sure, but they’d be\* much\* more polite.

That’s true. He’s landed gentry. All the Lords had large country estates they spent most of their time at. Agreed, his status wouldn’t prevent an arrest, and they wouldn’t be as deferential as a few decades before, but there’s no doubt he would’ve been handled with more finesse.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/485 "2015-02-28T01:53:55Z")

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Creating the food on-set for DA: [On ‘Downton Abbey,’ Beware the Fish Mousse - The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/arts/television/on-downton-abbey-beware-the-fish-mousse.html?action=click&contentCollection=Television&module=MostEmailed&version=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article)

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**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/486 "2015-02-28T02:28:44Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Yeah, and talking to Lady Mary that way?? I know the times they are a-changin’, but they ain’t a-changin’ THAT much.

Lady Mary trying to “forbid” the police from arresting Anna and getting told off is the \*only \*good thing to come out of this subplot. 😃

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**Author:** ![MLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@MLS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MLS)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/487 "2015-02-28T05:18:33Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Creating the food on-set for DA: [http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/arts/television/on-downton-abbey-beware-the-fish-mousse.html?action=click&contentCollection=Television&module=MostEmailed&version=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/arts/television/on-downton-abbey-beware-the-fish-mousse.html?action=click&contentCollection=Television&module=MostEmailed&version=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article)

The link requires a paying subscription. Can you summarize?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/488 "2015-02-28T16:16:24Z")

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> [@MLS](#):
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> The link requires a paying subscription. Can you summarize?

Hmm. I don’t have a subscription, and I can access it. In any event, the food is prepared and cooked on-set, and is a massive logistical exercise. Sometimes the same dish must be made over and over for extended takes of a scene, or for later retakes. Julian Fellowes works closely with the studio chef and others to have period-authentic dishes.

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**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/489 "2015-02-28T16:18:05Z")

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I didn’t have a problem with the article.

StG

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**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/490 "2015-02-28T16:53:38Z")

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> [@MLS](#):
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> The link requires a paying subscription. Can you summarize?

You only get a certain number of NY Times articles a month you can access for free. Perhaps you already exceeded that number this month.

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**Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/491 "2015-02-28T18:39:45Z")

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Not feeling the Anna-arrest subplot. I’m ready to put the writers in prison for stretching my patience.

> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> Lady Mary trying to “forbid” the police from arresting Anna and getting told off is the \*only \*good thing to come out of this subplot. 😃

That was a great moment. “I am not called ‘Miss’. I am _ **Lady Mary Crawley** _!”

I mean, it didn’t work, but I totally bought it.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/492 "2015-03-01T02:19:43Z")

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Good episode. Nice scene with the war memorial being dedicated, plus the plaque (looked like terra cotta, not marble, though) to Mrs. Patmore’s nephew. All the drama at Lady Rose’s wedding was just too much, but still fun.

> [@MLS](#):
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> We snickered at Barrow getting back at Miss Denker. Hee hee hee.

As did we. Also, Denker and the Dowager figuring out the the scheming butler had purposefully not carried down one of the suitcases. Zing!

> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> …Let’s get the Russian princess declared legally dead, and then Violet and Isobel can have a double wedding.

That would be cool. And that would make Violet a princess herself! (Albeit in a post-Revolutionary hierarchy; the Russians threw around the titles “prince” and “princess” quite a bit more freely than the Brits). Isobel shouldn’t still be having cold feet about marrying Lord Merton - she accepted his proposal, for chrissakes. Let his loutish sons go hang.

> [@Sauron](#):
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> Best line of the series:
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> Rose’s mother: So now I’m just to be a good loser?
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> Granny: Oh, it’s far, far too late for that.

Yup, that was good.

> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> …Also was anyone else really surprised that Rose could even get a blessing in the Church of England in 19240? :dubious:

By 2015, let alone 19240, I’m guessing it won’t be a problem.

> [@Shodan](#):
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> …  
> Regards,  
> Shodan  
> People’s Front of Judea

:: shakes fist ::

\*Splitter!  
\*

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/493 "2015-03-01T03:55:34Z")

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BTW, what did Thomas say to the manager of the speakeasy that put Mrs. Denker in a bad odor?

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**Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/494 "2015-03-01T03:59:21Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> BTW, what did Thomas say to the manager of the speakeasy that put Mrs. Denker in a bad odor?

She was getting free drinks for bringing in patrons. He told the manager that she was just walking in with the people and pretending to have brought them, just in order to get the drinks.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/495 "2015-03-01T04:04:56Z")

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Ah, thanks.

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**Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/496 "2015-03-01T23:04:04Z")

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> [@Sarabellum1976](#):
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> Didn’t O’Brien defect to go be the lady’s maid for Lady Susan?
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> Or did I misunderstand? I fully expected to see all kinds of angst over O’Brien’s guest spot, and I was very disappointed! 🙂
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> She didn’t even get a mention!

She got a job with the new governor’s wife and stayed in India; Carson & Mrs Hughes were quite relived they didn’t have to put up with her.

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**Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/497 "2015-03-02T14:25:53Z")

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I must be getting sentimental in my old age, but all the blatant manipulation/happy reconciliations (Robert and Edith, Rose and Lord Sindbery, Carson & Mrs Hughes, Bates & Anna) got me all choked up.

We got through a Christmas without anyone dying in a mine shaft explosion (although Robert’s ulcer was looming ominously for a while).

Cliffhanger/next season’s story lines: new suitors for Mary and Edith. And did they really write Tom and Rose out of the story?

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**Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/498 "2015-03-02T14:27:54Z")

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I thought for sure there’d be a darling little yellow lab puppy for Robert.

StG

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**Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/499 "2015-03-02T14:33:50Z")

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> [@StGermain](#):
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> I thought for sure there’d be a darling little yellow lab puppy for Robert.
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> StG

Maybe he hadn’t opened his presents yet.

Speaking of Christmas – they were singing some weird lyrics that I’d never heard before (to Silent Night, and I think O Come All Ye Faithful). Did anyone recognize those? Some Anglican variation that never made it over here?

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**Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/downton-abbey-s5-spoiler-free-until-broadcast-in-the-u-s/694244/500 "2015-03-02T14:51:54Z")

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I was on the edge of my seat throughout the whole broth intrigue. :rolleyes:

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