Dowsing Rods, the Ideomotor effect...what's the straight dope?

You guys understand that it’s a tile drain and not a single piece of tile, right? What he found was essentially a 3" diameter pipe made up of ~2 foot lengths of ceramic tubing.

I don’t know about the “no clues” though. Unless the discharge end is plugged (not just buried, but actually blocked), there are at least going to be signs of a drainage line in the surface vegetation. The presence of the drainage line and the spatially variable soil water content would have also affected the way the soil settled over time. With forty years of experience, you can understand a lot of information about what you’re looking at without consciously thinking about it.

Nope, had no idea. Now it begins to make sense. And of course explains why a guy with decades of experience, armed with a map, would be able to find it pretty easily using clues in the landscape as you say.

Case closed.

You are dead wrong about drug sniffing dogs.

Is it junior modding if I say “Holy crap, learn to trim your quotes!”?

Although it’s an interesting topic, it’s noticeable that the only proof offered for dowsing always consists of anecdotes, whereas dowsers always fail scientific tests.

James Randi had a hand in exposing those “dowsing rid” bomb detectors. Here is a report James Randi made about the Sniffex and it’s creator. The maker of the Sniffex detector sued him and lost.

Bout the claim that doubters can skew the results of testing: When asked why the maker of a “miracle water” doesn’t apply for the JREF Million Dollar Challenge, it’s creator responds

There’s that “universal truth” phrase again, btw.

No, Lemur866 is spot on regarding drug sniffing dogs. Wrong more often than right. It’s Clever Hans all the way down.

Here is a wonderful Australian documentary from 1980 involving James Randi testing dowsers Down Under.

Even the doubters claim is dumb. You can get rid of the doubters if you set up the experiment in such a way as to measure the results without anyone actually being there. Sure, you’d need a camera or something to make sure no one faked the test, but you don’t need a skeptic to monitor the camera feed.

I do think it would actually be nice to figure out exactly what a dowser is using to dowse for what they do. It would probably be different for different ones, though. And to compare it against how well they do without the rod.

But I admit these wouldn’t have much scientific value, and thus am fine with the fact that they have not been done.

This probably wouldn’t help. Look at Czarcasm’s quote above. The test subject could just claim that examination by any means, including recording equipment, changed the outcome.

Given that we are outside the bounds of any known science anyway, the test subject can always allege some BS or another as to why the test wasn’t a true test of their abilities. In the end, you have to just decide - independently of the test subject’s protestations - whether what they say is plausible.

To be fair, those devices do work.

If you walk around with one, and you suddenly find yourself flying into a thousand pieces, there’s a bomb nearby. if you stay in one piece, there may not be a bomb.

As the late great and very much missed Douglas Adams would have said, this must be some new definition of the word "work’ with which I am not familiar.

It works very effectively the first time - and remember, in the modern world, lots of products are designed for disposal after a single use.

As the late great and very much missed Douglas Adams would have said, this must be some new definition of the word “works” with which I am not familiar.

I don’t know what you mean. Look at the customer feedback - nobody ever stepped up to say they were disappointed by the performance of the device.

Well perhaps the customers are just late. You know, as in “the late customer”.

Getting back to the OP, I don’t believe anyone has proven that dowsing is legitimate. There are a lot of older guys doing things like water and septic that dowse, and it seems to work well enough for them. But it hasn’t been proven in controlled tests.

A thread on dowsing was the first thread on the SDMB I participated in, and my dowsing experience wasn’t exactly warmly received. I tried it with 2 l-shaped metal rods, it was an interesting feeling when the rods crossed as I walked along, almost felt like magnetism. It could very well have been subconscious on my part, but still felt neat.

Try standing still, and tilting your hands very, very slightly. Since you are holding a device that is magnifying any imbalance, you will find that you can cause the rods to cross, diverge, or point in any direction you want with slight hand movements, so slight that most spectators won’t notice, if your intention is to deceive. It’s even easy to fool yourself.

You want water to be over there? I’ll be glad to prove to you that’s where it is, at least until you dig. I can make water appear anywhere you want by manipulating the rods.

IANAD, but I do work in horizontal directional drilling in a large city, it’s very important to locate and visually see underground lines in whatever area I’m working. My powers only seem to work with water lines, or lines with fluid moving through them, oftentimes duct for fiber or whatever are flooded and have water flowing through them and I can find them.

When I started this job, I had no experience with underground utilities, but I had a dim recollection of people finding water lines with wires, so I tried it. It definitely doesn’t take a “grizzled old foreman” to be able to witch water lines, as I was able to the first time I tried, and most times since then. I’ve only been doing this about a year, but only one time comes to mind that I thought there was a water line and after hydrovacing the area wasn’t able to find one. Typically when we have a map or hearsay that there is a water line but can’t find it, myself and a few other guys will “witch” the area and find it.

I always thought it had to do with static electricity from fluid flowing through a pipe pulling the witching sticks in their directions.

9/10 times I use line marking flags to witch with, essentially a piece of baling wire, with about 3 inches bent to 90 degrees.

It’s also more difficult when it’s windy out.

Try it sometime, take a coathanger or piece of wire or whatever, bend it into an L and hold the short end in your hand, long end pointed forward, walk from your front door to the street. I tend to hold the elbow with my forefinger, and rest my thumb at the base of the wire so it doesn’t fall, you want it to move as freely as it can. Don’t knock it til you try it.
I realize this thread is about dowsing for anything you want to find, and I have no experience with that, just finding water lines.