# Dozens injured in Waukesha, WI at Christmas parade: Nov 2021 \[update: 6 dead, over 40 injured\]\[update: trial\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 22, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746 "2021-11-22T00:38:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/1 "2021-11-22T00:38:22Z")
I’m hoping that this was the result of a medical incident, but I strongly suspect that it was not. At least 30 are known to be injured; no reports of fatalities yet. > **[UPDATE: 5 dead, more than 40 injured when SUV crashes into Waukesha Christmas...](https://www.wkow.com/news/state/many-injured-after-car-crashes-into-waukesha-christmas-parade/article_a674b76e-4b21-11ec-8e7a-8f208e9855df.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WKOW)** > > Investigators say multiple people were killed when an SUV drove through a holiday parade in Waukesha Sunday evening. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/2 "2021-11-22T00:49:36Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I’m hoping that this was the result of a medical incident, but I strongly suspect that it was not. At least 30 are known to be injured; no reports of fatalities yet. > > [UPDATE: 5 dead, more than 40 injured when SUV crashes into Waukesha Christmas parade](https://www.wkow.com/news/state/many-injured-after-car-crashes-into-waukesha-christmas-parade/article_a674b76e-4b21-11ec-8e7a-8f208e9855df.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WKOW) Nothing graphic linked to this article right now but some scary video of the vehicle speeding. Nothing can really be determined from the video. The driver certainly wasn’t trying to hit everyone he could. It looks like it was driving down the road as if the driver didn’t see a parade at all. > **[HOLIDAY HORROR: SUV seen plowing at high-speed into Christmas parade as...](https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-christmas-parade-interrupted-after-vehicle-reportedly-plows-into-crowd.amp)** > > A parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin was interrupted when a car reportedly plowed through the crowd leaving several injured. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/3 "2021-11-22T01:01:48Z")
Reports are they have the vehicle and there is a person of interest. It’s not clear if the person of interest is in custody. Press conference at 8:30 ET. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/4 "2021-11-22T01:38:44Z")
I hope this wasn’t deliberate. It may be a medical issue or confused senior citizen that shouldn’t be driving. I’ve seen one fatality reported. It could have been much worse. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/5 "2021-11-22T01:45:01Z")
I was just listening to WTMJ (a Milwaukee news/talk radio station); they were relaying information that, just after 7pm local time, the police had issued a shelter-in-place notice for people in the downtown Waukesha area, which suggests that there may be a suspect at large in that area. The Waukesha police also said that they already had a “person of interest” in custody. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/6 "2021-11-22T02:01:06Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The Waukesha police also said that they already had a “person of interest” in custody. My apologies; I misundrstood what had been reported. As per this article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: > [@](#): > > A suspect vehicle was recovered and there is a “person of interest we’re looking into,” the police chief said. > **[Driver plows into Waukesha Christmas Parade crowd, leaving five dead, more...](https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/waukesha/news/2021/11/21/waukesha-christmas-parade-car-rams-through-downtown-shots-fired-people-injured/8714041002/)** > > Five people were reported dead and more than 40 injured after an SUV plowed through a holiday parade in a Milwaukee suburb. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/7 "2021-11-22T02:05:04Z")
Press conference right now. One person confirmed dead, “person of interest” in custody. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/8 "2021-11-22T02:05:19Z")
Let me speculate: It’s a direct result of the Rittenhouse verdict. Guy was so distraught over the verdict that he went and got drunk, and then this happened. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/9 "2021-11-22T02:06:40Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Press conference right now. One person confirmed dead, “person of interest” in custody. Is there any other suspected “person of interest” ? Are they still telling the people to be in lockdown? Do they think there’s someone else dangerous out there? (Sorry, I’m not following this live. I get the bulk of my news right here on the Straight Dope Message Board these days, it sometimes seems.) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/10 "2021-11-22T02:11:56Z")
The police aren’t being crystal clear. One person is confirmed dead, but they said “some fatalities.” It sounded to me like they think thee MIGHT be more than one person involved, but don’t know for sure. The lockdown is over; I believe it was ordered to sweep the scene for evidence, not a concern over additional threats. Police also said 11 adults and 12 children were taken to hospitals. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/11 "2021-11-22T02:15:01Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > One person is confirmed dead, but they said “some fatalities.” The [Journal Sentinel breaking news article](https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/waukesha/news/2021/11/21/waukesha-christmas-parade-car-rams-through-downtown-shots-fired-people-injured/8714041002/) concurs with the “some fatalities,” and seems to provide an explanation for the less-than-concrete information being released. > [@](#): > > There were some fatalities but a figure was not released as authorities sought to notify families. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/12 "2021-11-22T02:34:25Z")
I think speculation on motivation and tying it to recent events is barking up the wrong tree. This is not the act of a sane person and I think mental and/or physical illness is going to be involved. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/13 "2021-11-22T02:42:56Z")
The CNN update to the main story says multiple deaths. It also said an officer fired his weapon at the vehicle. The police say no bystanders were hit by gunfire but it leaves it open for there to be someone shot in the car. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/14 "2021-11-22T02:52:08Z")
He was probably just committing vehicular homicide in self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/15 "2021-11-22T02:59:06Z")
> [@susan](#): > > He was probably just committing vehicular homicide in self-defense. - He was defending the auto industry from all those walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/16 "2021-11-22T03:09:06Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It also said an officer fired his weapon at the vehicle. One _David Kimball_ on Twitter says: > [@](#): > > BREAKING: First video of a red Ford Escape breaking through barriers after mowing down parade goers and firing rifle into crowd in Waukesha, WI including 3-second video of the car. Something like gunshots can be heard at the very beginning (or just the sound of breaking through barricades?) Among the subsequent comments, some are questioning whether the gunshots came from the vehicle, or from police shooting at the vehicle, or some of each. > Needless to say, MANY comments are relating this to the Rittenhouse case in one way or another, many sarcastically (e.g., “The judge has already declared this self-defense”, many others saying “self-defense”, “and those aren’t victims”) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/17 "2021-11-22T03:11:21Z")
> [@susan](#): > > He was probably just committing vehicular homicide in self-defense. Please keep politics out of a breaking news thread as per the posted rule. Depending on what the circumstances become politics may inevitably come into it but until then please keep this to the facts of the incident. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/18 "2021-11-22T03:15:58Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > It also said an officer fired his weapon at the vehicle. > > One _David Kimball_ on Twitter says: > > > [@](#): > > > > BREAKING: First video of a red Ford Escape breaking through barriers after mowing down parade goers and firing rifle into crowd in Waukesha, WI > > including 3-second video of the car. Something like gunshots can be heard at the very beginning (or just the sound of breaking through barricades?) Among the subsequent comments, some are questioning whether the gunshots came from the vehicle, or from police shooting at the vehicle, or some of each. > > [https://twitter.com/wxandnews/status/1462562235344199688](https://twitter.com/wxandnews/status/1462562235344199688) The “firing rifle into the crowd” seems to be just rumor? I don’t see anything close to that on a credible cite. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/19 "2021-11-22T03:17:47Z")
It’ll be Monday before updates. I assume they have to notify families. > ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/20 "2021-11-22T03:24:18Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The “firing rifle into the crowd” seems to be just rumor? I don’t see anything close to that on a credible cite. Yes, and perhaps not even reaching the level of a rumor yet? Just what that guy wrote. One of the subsequent comments mentions that a window on the vehicle appears to be shot out. That would tend to suggest that someone outside the vehicle (cops?) shot into the vehicle? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746.md?page=2)