# Dozens injured in Waukesha, WI at Christmas parade: Nov 2021 \[update: 6 dead, over 40 injured\]\[update: trial\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 22, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746 "2021-11-22T00:38:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/122 "2021-11-24T01:22:31Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > A 39-year-old wannabe rapper. Immaturity, anybody? wannabe rapper writing anti-police lyrics looking for street cred. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/123 "2021-11-24T01:43:31Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The local news says that there are 6 dead now and that what’s-his-name was intentionally moving side-to-side to hit more people. The cite you link to says that the _prosecutor_ has _alleged_ that he was intentionally moving side-to-side to strike people. The prosecutor can _allege_ that a ham sandwich, with premeditation and malice aforethought, choked a man to death. ETA: afterthought to aforethought ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/124 "2021-11-24T01:50:39Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > A 39-year-old wannabe rapper. Immaturity, anybody? Huh? What’s “immature” about wanting to work as an entertainer, irrespective of age? [There are plenty of successful rappers who didn’t attain success until their 30s.](https://www.complex.com/music/2020/10/rappers-30s-not-too-late) I mean, FFS, with all the horrible behavior that this guy can rightly be anathematized for (including, allegedly, a whole bunch of recent vehicular homicide), why decide to single out his music-career aspirations for your criticism? That just comes across as a racist-sounding sneer at rap music and rappers. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/125 "2021-11-24T02:24:03Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > wannabe rapper writing anti-police lyrics looking for street cred The dating site biography writes itself. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/126 "2021-11-24T02:37:05Z")
“I enjoy long walks on the b\*tch…” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/127 "2021-11-24T02:37:32Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The local news says that there are 6 dead now and that what’s-his-name was intentionally moving side-to-side to hit more people. I’ve been skeptical that this guy was _fleeing_ and just had to mow down almost 50 people. Look at his long rap sheet. He knows getting arrested isn’t a big deal. He’s already made bail for domestic assault twice this year. He would have been back home within a week. Eventually he would get some prison time. But he’s been there before. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/128 "2021-11-24T03:33:37Z")
> **[Waukesha parade crash: 6th person, a child, has died as judge sets cash bail...](https://www.mlive.com/news/us-world/2021/11/waukesha-parade-crash-6th-person-a-child-has-died-as-judge-sets-cash-bail-at-5-million-for-darrel-brooks.html)** > > Police say Darrell Brooks plowed through the holiday parade in the Milwaukee suburb Sunday evening. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/129 "2021-11-24T03:34:24Z")
To me, it was the whole combination of factors. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/130 "2021-11-24T03:47:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’ve been skeptical that this guy was _fleeing_ and just had to mow down almost 50 people. > > Look at his long rap sheet. Yeah, I would love to get some glimmer of what he was thinking. I suppose that it’d be some pedestrian entitled bullshit though. He doesn’t strike me as the sort of guy who’s ever thought twice. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/131 "2021-11-24T04:18:30Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > pedestrian entitled bullshit Given the context, _awkward_… ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/132 "2021-11-24T04:26:50Z")
Don’t get me wrong but as I recall there were some who said we should “defund” the police, which meant redirecting some of the funds to counseling or whatever resources might defuse situations rather than turn them into confrontations. It seems like this situation would fall under “fail” but I wonder what others think. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/133 "2021-11-24T05:00:47Z")
The guy is a domestic abuser, like in many other such incidents. He clearly has an anger problem. So it is possible that (mandatory) mental health care interventions could have prevented this long before it got to this point. These situations always involve someone who is highly stressed and unable to manage that stress. It always involves people lashing out in anger. Heck, they tend to involve domestic violence incidents. The way to deal with this stuff is to try and stop it before it gets to this point. Police tend to only come in after the damage has been done, when it’s too late to anything but pick up the pieces. [This guy who I follow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvRzwjSCvE) suggests that, since it doesn’t fit the currently preferred political narratives, it will fall out of the news, rather than being an impetus for change. He presents all this in a pretty non-political way, IMHO—he completely avoids the “defund the police” framing, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/134 "2021-11-24T05:01:45Z")
I also like Beau of the Fifth Column. He seems like a very down-to-earth person. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/135 "2021-11-24T05:44:03Z")
From the headline posted just a few posts above: > [@](#): > > . . . judge sets cash bail . . . Before I read the article, lemme guess: Judge sets bail a little _higher_ this time. ETA: Okay, yeah. From the article, a bit of diplomatic talk (bold added): > [@](#): > > “ **We have a gentleman** that has a huge background, via multiple states,” said Waukesha Court Commissioner Kevin Costello. > > Brooks has been charged with crimes more than a dozen times since 1999 and had two outstanding cases against him at the time of the parade disaster. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/136 "2021-11-24T06:47:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The guy is a domestic abuser, like in many other such incidents. He clearly has an anger problem. Domestic abusers very rarely have “an anger problem” in the sense that most people would use that term. There’s a ton of literature about how sending abusers to “anger management” tends to make things worse. Abusers can typically control their anger just fine, and use controlled anger as one of their tools of coercive control of an intimate partner. It sounds more to me like this guy is a psychopath. Maybe he was initially fleeing, perhaps even trying to avoid people at first (I haven’t watched, nor am I planning to watch, any of the video) but then, once the way was completely blocked, he was just focused on going where he wanted to go. Fits the domestic abuse angle as well. Other people are objects to them. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/137 "2021-11-24T07:13:43Z")
I hate hearing the word “gentleman” (or “lady” for that matter) used to describe a violent criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/138 "2021-11-24T12:17:09Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I am a bit ambivalent about that. I know the purpose is to avoid a current inequity by which a kingpin who can post a million sleeps at home and someone who can’t scrounge together ten thou for street dealing sleeps in jail. And bail is strictly speaking **not** to keep you locked up for public protection, it’s a measure to ensure you **do** show up to court — so the court in this case might have rightly concluded “he isn’t going anywhere”. But still no-cash-bail or mandatory negligible “first-offense” amounts (set as if in a vacuum) seem to exclude a middle. We could have a discussion about how the noble motivations of bail reform fail when it hits reality but that’s a different thread. > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I hate hearing the word “gentleman” (or “lady” for that matter) used to describe a violent criminal. I’ve had to call criminals sir and ma’am for the last 20 something years. You get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/139 "2021-11-24T12:38:40Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > Don’t get me wrong but as I recall there were some who said we should “defund” the police, which meant redirecting some of the funds to counseling or whatever resources might defuse situations rather than turn them into confrontations. It seems like this situation would fall under “fail” but I wonder what others think. Moderating: This is a breaking news thread. No politics. Take it to another thread. This is not the first note to remind folks of this. No warning, but it was really close. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/140 "2021-11-24T12:49:26Z")
Sorry, withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746/141 "2021-11-24T15:18:17Z")
A person conducting a proceeding has to choose SOME term to describe the people before them, and could expect criticism from one direction or another depending on just about any term chosen. I would suspect “gentleman” was used as a default, to ward off any potential criticism that the person was not being afforded sufficient respect. The decision-maker was also likely intending to avoid revealing any personal opinion WRT to person, their character, and/or the charges. Hell, I had a middle aged female atty rake me over the coals for referring to her as “Ma’am.” Yeah, I generally would say “counsel” or “Mr/Ms X.” But sometimes I slip up and had thought ma’am/sir benign terms of respect. Whereas all I cared to do was say, “Hey you.” At least I didn’t call this particular atty what I actually think of her! 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dozens-injured-in-waukesha-wi-at-christmas-parade-nov-2021-update-6-dead-over-40-injured-update-trial/954746.md?page=8)