# Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, and Star Trek's "The Enemy Within" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 20, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975 "2014-08-20T05:52:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/61 "2014-08-22T20:26:22Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > To me, the ST plot line bears more resemblance to the Italo Cavino story: [the Cloven Viscount](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloven_Viscount) (although that story owes something to RLS too). > > In Jekyll and Hyde, neither of the “_TWO_” characters is ineffectual. In both the Calvino story and the ST plot line (which I haven’t seen for some time) each “_half_” of the character is missing something of the other and is ineffective because of it. Which aso fits the “Humans are SO special!” trope I mentioned earlier. Unlike other races, we are varied even within ourselves ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/62 "2014-08-22T20:28:48Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > That complaint, if you’re serious, always irks me. It’s canon that there were 430-some persons in the Enterprise’s crew, and clearly we only see a tiny fraction of them. There’s no episode introducing Chekov to the crew. Chekov could easily have been working the midnight shift when Khan was on board, and Khan simply remembered his face and name because he remembers EVERYTHING. I’m semi-serious. From a production standpoint, director Nicholas Meyer acknowledged it was a mistake to have Chekov and Khan recognize each other. Some fans refuse to accept this, yet they’ll maintain that the Klingons on TOS had forehead ridges all along, but you didn’t see them because they didn’t have a large enough makeup budget. And won’t ackowledge the explanation in ST:Enterprise (which _is_ canon) for how they lost their ridges. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/63 "2014-08-22T20:59:14Z")
Canon is canon. It can be silly, but it’s still canon. 🙂 That’s the joy of fandom of a franchise that is over 40 years old with hundreds of eps among several series and movies. Lots of different writers, producers, directors, actors, etc… With that much floating around, I can’t blame nitpickers (too much, anyways) (I shoot Nikon) ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/64 "2014-08-22T21:26:57Z")
Well, FWIW, it’s been standard Jewish theology for a few thousand years that people have two natures, good and bad, and they are both necessary. Without the good nature, no one would give to charity, or obey laws, but without the bad nature, no one would do things that are essentially selfish, like get married, have children, tend crops to make sure they have food, and soforth. ---
**Author:** ![vd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@vd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vd)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/65 "2014-08-22T21:54:22Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Cesare Lombroso\*, who theorized that criminals could be identified by their outward physical appearance. In the case of evil Kirk, it was extra eye liner and the proclivity to stand where he was lit from below. > [@cochrane](#): > > I’m semi-serious. From a production standpoint, director Nicholas Meyer acknowledged it was a mistake to have Chekov and Khan recognize each other. Some fans refuse to accept this, yet they’ll maintain that the Klingons on TOS had forehead ridges all along, but you didn’t see them because they didn’t have a large enough makeup budget. And won’t ackowledge the explanation in ST:Enterprise (which _is_ canon) for how they lost their ridges. Has Koenig ever said whether he brought this up during production? You would think he’d remember not working with Montalban. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/66 "2014-08-22T22:01:36Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m sure Kirk or Spock explained things to Rand. Evil Kirk did, pretending to be Good Kirk. She evidently bought it well enough to set up another date with him. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/67 "2014-08-22T22:24:47Z")
> [@vd](#): > > In the case of evil Kirk, it was extra eye liner and the proclivity to stand where he was lit from below. And an ever-so-slight hunchback. Does anyone think using the transporters as the thing that screwed Kirk up in the first place (and having it doom an animal first) was borrowed from _The Fly_? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/68 "2014-08-22T22:28:28Z")
No story exists in a vacuum. Lots of ideas go back and forth. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/69 "2014-08-22T22:34:17Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Chekov could easily have been working the midnight shift when Khan was on board. **Watch**. He was **standing** the midnight **watch**. \*\*GRRRRRRRRRR!!! \*\* :mad: ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/70 "2014-08-22T22:57:19Z")
> [@vd](#): > > Has Koenig ever said whether he brought this up during production? You would think he’d remember not working with Montalban. I’m not sure if he had. I know DeForest Kelley did. Koenig later facetiously said that Chekov had kept Khan waiting to use a head. When Chekov emerged, Khan said, “I shall never forget you.” **Skald** , I’m perfectly willing to accept that if it happened on film, it’s canon. Khan remembered Chekov in TWOK, so they did meet previously. And it’s canon that the Enterprise had a large enough crew that Chekov was on it, but working elsewhere on the ship. I’ll even postulate that he worked in the Sciences department where he caught the eye of Spock who noticed that Chekov might make a promising bridge officer and recommended him for promotion. In the interests of peace, if you’ll give me your transporter coordinates and turn on your pad, I’ll send you a case of Romulan ale which I just happened to acquire through, ah, diplomatic channels. For a not so small gratuity, the Ferengi Grand Nagus personally presented me with some which he brought through in a diplomatic pouch, and as you know, under interstellar law, diplomatic packages are immune from a customs search. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/71 "2014-08-22T23:11:05Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Khan remembered Chekov in TWOK, so they did meet previously. Since “Space Seed” and “Catspaw” were only seven episodes apart (in order filmed; 1x24 and 2x1, respectively), I’ll buy that, but just barely. Now gimme my Romulan ale! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/72 "2014-08-22T23:42:49Z")
> [@vd](#): > > Has Koenig ever said whether he brought this up during production? You would think he’d remember not working with Montalban. I don’t know about during production, but [Memory Alpha](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Pavel_Chekov) says, “Koenig jokes that he believes Chekov accidentally made Khan wait an uncomfortable amount of time to use the bathroom.” > [@cochrane](#): > > I’m semi-serious. From a production standpoint, director Nicholas Meyer acknowledged it was a mistake to have Chekov and Khan recognize each other. I’ll second-guess Meyer on this. Having the two recognize each other was good both in terms of drama and of advancing the plot. It was a good scene, and not actively contradicted by anything in canon that I know of. While Chekov does not appear onscreen until _Catspaw_, he is at that point on bridge rotation and comments that he’s “not that green”. I find it plausible that he had been on board long enough by then to have been present during Khan’s takeover\*. Given that those events were kind of a big deal, even in the Enterprise’s crisis-ridden history, it’s hardly surprising that he would remember Khan and his ship. Even if he wouldn’t have recognized Khan’s face in a crowd, recognizing the name of the SS Botany Bay would have helped him make the connection. For Khan’s part, he studied every scrap of information he could get on the Enterprise while planning his takeover. That likely included crew manifests. While Chekov probably didn’t stand out at the time, Khan’s memory capabilities are presumably enhanced; it’s possible that he remembers the face of everyone who was a member of the Enterprise crew at that time. Alternatively, he might have picked Chekov out as a weak link–the newest and least experienced member of the command staff, who might be subverted in some way. \*My best guess would be that he joined the crew during the events of “Court Martial”, which was the last time the Enterprise put in at a starbase before “Space Seed”. The Enterprise had lost several crew members at that point, and it seems reasonable that replacement personnel would have been transferred to the starbase to await the ship’s next visit. The events of “Space Seed” would have been the first major on-board incident he experienced (“Return of the Archons” ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/73 "2014-08-23T02:56:25Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > I don’t know about during production, but [Memory Alpha](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Pavel_Chekov) says, “Koenig jokes that he believes Chekov accidentally made Khan wait an uncomfortable amount of time to use the bathroom.” > > I’ll second-guess Meyer on this. Having the two recognize each other was good both in terms of drama and of advancing the plot. It was a good scene, and not actively contradicted by anything in canon that I know of. While Chekov does not appear onscreen until _Catspaw_, he is at that point on bridge rotation and comments that he’s “not that green”. I find it plausible that he had been on board long enough by then to have been present during Khan’s takeover\*. Given that those events were kind of a big deal, even in the Enterprise’s crisis-ridden history, it’s hardly surprising that he would remember Khan and his ship. Even if he wouldn’t have recognized Khan’s face in a crowd, recognizing the name of the SS Botany Bay would have helped him make the connection. > > For Khan’s part, he studied every scrap of information he could get on the Enterprise while planning his takeover. That likely included crew manifests. While Chekov probably didn’t stand out at the time, Khan’s memory capabilities are presumably enhanced; it’s possible that he remembers the face of everyone who was a member of the Enterprise crew at that time. Alternatively, he might have picked Chekov out as a weak link–the newest and least experienced member of the command staff, who might be subverted in some way. > > \*My best guess would be that he joined the crew during the events of “Court Martial”, which was the last time the Enterprise put in at a starbase before “Space Seed”. The Enterprise had lost several crew members at that point, and it seems reasonable that replacement personnel would have been transferred to the starbase to await the ship’s next visit. The events of “Space Seed” would have been the first major on-board incident he experienced (“Return of the Archons” And a case of Romulan ale is also on its way to you for that excellent explanation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/74 "2014-08-23T08:14:56Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > They also did a kind of reverse version, where Neelix and Tuvok get rolled up into ONE individual! And the new composite person kinda liked being who he was, as well as being decidedly less annoying than either of his components. I seem to remember that when they figured out how to split him back into the “real” cast members, nobody was all that happy about it! Only Janeway and Kes wanted them back. Even the Doctor refused to separate them, and it’s not like him to turn down a novel medical procedure. On one hand, Janeway’s murder of Tuvix made me finally understand the people who thought she was evil. On the other hand, I kinda like that the episode went out of its way to tell us she was doing the wrong thing and then let her actually do it. If they’d have just acknowledged how flawed Janeway was, the show would have been a lot better liked. (I still liked it, but I also absolutely love the 1998 _Lost in Space_ movie.) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975/75 "2014-08-25T18:21:16Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > **Watch**. He was **standing** the midnight **watch**. \*\*GRRRRRRRRRR!!! \*\* :mad: Don’t make me release the ferrets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-jekyll-mr-hyde-and-star-treks-the-enemy-within/695975.md?page=3)