# Dr. Manhattan vs. Squirrel Girl **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189 "2017-05-22T02:03:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/1 "2017-05-22T02:03:29Z")
The superman of The Watchmen…who apparently created the DC universe… vs the inexplicably triumphant pied piper of the Marvel universe. Which would win? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/2 "2017-05-22T08:02:37Z")
Remember that Manhattan is a bit of a determinist and will only do something if he “remembers” doing it, and only in the manner he remembers doing it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/3 "2017-05-22T09:17:53Z")
Squirrel Girls wins offpanel, as usual. Dr. Manhattan knows it happened but doesn’t care. It’s not like his defeat means anything, anyways. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/4 "2017-05-22T11:09:51Z")
Defeat is a concept that only has meaning for those trapped in linear time. Doreen’s actions will appear to thwart Jon`s plans but that is exactly as he knew it was going to occur. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/5 "2017-05-22T12:53:28Z")
Close. I’d say it’s more likely that Doreen talks him around - he knows it’s going to happen but can’t prevent it, of course - and all is well at the end. Recall, she defeats villains off camera. However, she can also find solutions that make them happy and require no defeating just by being positive and helpful. She’s just that way. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/6 "2017-05-23T01:37:30Z")
Squirrel Girl wins, and easily. Remember, a good chunk of her power is her Silver-Agey Optimism and Spirit. The only character I could imagine her having a hard time defeating is Mort Weisinger’s E1 Superman because he has the same Silver-Agey Optimism and Spirit. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/7 "2017-05-23T03:06:13Z")
SG. Her optimism convinces Doc that all is not preordained and there can be happy endings. He runs off to contemplate his cosmic naval lint. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Call_Me.Tim)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/8 "2017-05-23T03:52:18Z")
Her whole schtick is that the narrative is funnier when she wins, so there are three ways for her to lose: Against someone she logically should win against. Blatantly incompetent newbie villain wannabe trying to make a name whom she takes pity on, for example. Against someone who ironically has the moral high ground over her, e.g. a collector from Damage Inc looking for restitution for some collateral damage she caused. The ‘Sue Dibny’: when a hack writer wants to make someone seem extra special evil and decides to off the nicest character available. SG is probably too popular for this at the moment, but it could happen if her spotlight fades and she is just fondly remembered but hasn’t appeared in any books in a while. Doctor M could only work in the third scenario, and SG is currently way too popular for that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/9 "2017-05-23T12:26:20Z")
Anybody got a primer to bring me up to speed on who the hell Squirrel Girl is, and whether she’s likely to show up as a big head character in Disneyland any time soon? ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/10 "2017-05-23T15:36:19Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-mKjxQJyn1E/maxresdefault.jpg "Marvel Comics: Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Explained") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mKjxQJyn1E) [![](https://hype.my/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/squirrel-girl-1024x576.jpg) ](https://hype.my/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/squirrel-girl-1024x576.jpg) [![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b8Sn3JpfC0o/VaMuLVzv4mI/AAAAAAAALgA/7RKbQZC4oy8/s1600/SaitamaSquirrelThanos.jpg) ](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b8Sn3JpfC0o/VaMuLVzv4mI/AAAAAAAALgA/7RKbQZC4oy8/s1600/SaitamaSquirrelThanos.jpg) [![](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TT3R0IOl16E/TNC4kMErBDI/AAAAAAAABds/pmoT43c8pQk/s1600/Scan11944.jpg) ](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TT3R0IOl16E/TNC4kMErBDI/AAAAAAAABds/pmoT43c8pQk/s1600/Scan11944.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-manhattan-vs-squirrel-girl/787189/11 "2017-05-23T19:19:33Z")
[Marvel announce New Warriors TV series with Squirrel Girl coming to Freeform](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/marvel-new-warriors-tv-series-squirrel-girl-freeform-cloak-and-dager-a7668486.html) Yep. She’s coming to the MCU, albeit the TV branch.