Don’t believe carnivorousplant!
This is the same poster that got me to run out and get the DVD of the ST:TOS episode “Devil in the Dark” because he said it contained a line about “phaser-cutting phasers.”
“Cite” for what exactly? I’m afraid that there are no quotable sources available for decisions that I make myself, as I don’t bother to document them for future generations.
By the way, can someone tell me the origin of the word cite? I have never seen it anywhere outside this messageboard. I suspect that it is in fact not a real word at all.
Oh right.
There I was thinking it was a noun when it is in fact an imperative verb. Which means that I have encountered the word before and even used it a fair amount, albeit in French. Funny how the mind plays tricks on you.
Well next time say cite please, please.
That’s because biologists are sometimes sloppy in their descriptions of what constitute a different species. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t consider wolves and domestic dogs to be the same species, for example, since they can interbreed and produce fertile descendants.
It’s not fair to insist that others use complete sentences when you only use them, what, half the time? But you’re right, people like to use “cite” to mean “citation”. Now that you’ve been warned, you can look out for it.
Actually, I found Next Generation and Deep Space Nine far more racist than anything shown on the original series. Their racism consisted of writing one-track Ferengi (always greedy) and Klingon (always violent) characters. Even the aggressively PC human characters would casually throw off remarks about how Ferengi couldn’t be trusted, etc.
Not to mention that Jewish actors tended to portray Ferenghi and Black actors Klingons.
When it comes to casting Ferengi characters, I’m not sure being Jewish mattered as much as being short. I always wanted to see one tall Ferengi, just to break the stereotype, but the writers were so locked into their limited characterizations that it probably never occured to them. Even one TNG episode that featured a Ferengi scientist went out of its way to make him look like some kind of freak, when you’d think a spacefaring race like the Ferengi would have to have lots of scientists (and engineers, and technicians) just to design, build and maintain their starships.
This does remind me, however, of a story I heard Max (“Rom”) Grodenchik tell at a convention. He was travelling in Ireland and the cabbie asked him (rather boldly) if he was Catholic or Protestant:
Max: Well, actually, I’m Jewish.
Cabbie: Yes, but are you Catholic Jewish or Protestant Jewish?
I made him laugh, though. He’d mentioned the episode “Bar Association” (in which Rom encourages the workers at Quark’s Bar to unionize) as one of his favourites. I told him he should refer to that episode as “Norma Rom.”
'member back in the early TNG when the Ferengi kicked ass and took names. They may have been short, but they beat up the Federation’s best a lot.
It wasn’t a stereotype, Ferenghi were short like Cardassians had long thin necks.
I’m not sure all the Ferengi were Jewish - somebody would have to give me a definitive word on Wallace Shawn.
Also, Klingons were decided to be dark-skinned, so casting a black actor would probably be convenient. But not all of them were black. I remember Gowron was Irish and I’m pretty sure he was white. Martok may have been as well; both of them seemed pretty light.
“tended to” means “a whole lot of them”, guy.
“Ferenghi”? What, is that the Italian spelling? “I’ll have a side order of mastaciotti alla Ferenghi with that, waiter.”
Translating Ferenghi script into English is done phonetically and spelling varies.
Nonsense; that’s just racist propaganda. Ferengi come in all sizes, and their ears aren’t nearly a big as portrayed on the TV shows…
Why are you all staring at me like that?
Which way would you prefer we stare at you, El Kabong?
A few of you have addressed the issue of Vulcans, Klingons, etc. being the same species as humans because they can interbreed.
I would like to point out that that is completely false. The various humanoid species of the Trek universe cannot breed without extensive scientific help, gene therapy, and numerous other things to make the separate genomes mesh into one cell so that it can develop into an embryo, fetus, fertile adult, etc.
Of course they also talked like slow witted morons as well.
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