# Dr. Who Episode 2 - "The End of the World" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2005, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528 "2005-04-03T15:51:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528/21 "2005-04-07T11:55:18Z")
When I say “die hard” I basically mean “mental”. The sort of chaps who dress as cybermen and sea devils and have a bit of a _thing_ for The Master. It is a primarily gay subculture. Go and have a look on some of the newsgroups etc - you’ll soon see what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528/22 "2005-04-07T12:18:07Z")
REALLY! I have seen one [gay fansite for fans](http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/8022/Index4.html) of the programme, and no discussion of gay related matters on the [newsgroups](http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho.moderated) I lurk on. I see steadfast refusal to admit that the Doctor might be a sexual being, seeing as how he is a grandfather, and presumably, a father. (which I always explained by the fact that, as hazel-rah has proposed maybe he’s not attracted to members of other species besides his own.) I have also seen spirited discussion of how many UNIT members were gay, but that’s it. I so none of the overt gayness that owlstretchingtime seems to be talking about. It’s important to keep in mind that I am on the look for homosexuality in everything, seeing as how public visibility is a good thing, and I am a huge fan of fanfiction documenting romances between (non-Doctor Who related) males, such as in many anime series, and Harry Potter. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528/23 "2005-04-07T14:59:11Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I am a huge fan of fanfiction documenting romances between (non-Doctor Who related) males, such as in many anime series, and Harry Potter. Sorry for the hijack, but where’s the homosexuality in Harry Potter? I\must have blinked and missed it. I thought Hermione and Ron had a love/hate thing going and Harry has a girlfriend in at least one of the books (can’t remember which, as I’m not a great fan). Unless perhaps Malfoy (sp.?) has a secret crush on Harry. Anyway, we seem to have got off the subject. I’m looking forward to Ep.3 even though I will view with less relish now that I know the Eccleston is leaving after only one series. Not that I think he’s the best Doc ever or anything, but the series has only just been relaunched and the main character quits. Does not bode well for the future. Old fans may like the idea of regeneration, but it may kill it for the new lot. Ho hum. Back into CD and book limbo for another 15 years or so. Perhaps they ought to just kill him (the Doctor) off permanently and then have a spin off with Billie Piper steering the TARDIS. By the looks of episode 2 it works by bike pump and bright spinning wheels anyway, so even a human ought to be able to operate it. Are there any threads on what a tosser Eccleston is or should I go to the pit with this? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528/24 "2005-04-07T15:23:31Z")
**GuanoLad** wrote: > [@](#): > > I believe that there is some kind of rule that the Time Lords must obey about how they themselves can move through time and how it affects them chronologically. > > I can’t remember what it is, but it rationalises some of the potential paradoxes that thinking about the Doctor Who universe can so frequently bring forth. > Reply With Quote I recall that there was some device built by Rassilon that kept a Tardis from going into Galifrey’s past. Possibly if The Doctor tried to go back to warn them, he’d be immediately shuffled to the moment when the planet blew up. What I’m wondering about is the Eye of Harmony. It’s supposed to power the technology of the Tardis. Well, if the planet has blown up, where is the power coming from? Does The Doctor have the Eye in his Tardis, like in the FOX movie? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528/25 "2005-04-07T15:29:15Z")
> [@Stryfe](#): > > Sorry for the hijack, but where’s the homosexuality in Harry Potter? I\must have blinked and missed it…? No need to apologize, it’s all my fault. :)Well, due to improper translation, and names that are used for both girls and boys, it seemed like one of the minor characters was dateing someone of the same sex, but that is besides all but the point of, “blink and missed it.” This was exploited, to great comedic effect in more than one fan fiction story I read. > [@Stryfe](#): > > I thought Hermione and Ron had a love/hate thing going and Harry has a girlfriend in at least one of the books (can’t remember which, as I’m not a great fan). Unless perhaps Malfoy (sp.?) has a secret crush on Harry.? Well, it was more like Harry had a crush on one of the girls, but indeed, it is not in the books proper. It is instead in fan written fiction proposing the exact scenario you proposed. Sure, Malfoy is not meant to be redeemable, but many fans find the idea of a main character with a main girl to be quite boring, and instead pair up someone with their rival. Here is one example. [Welcome to the Real World](http://glassesreflect.net/hd/welcomerealworld.html) by [IamtheLizardQueen](http://glassesreflect.net/authors/lizardqueen.html) | 14 | ## A post-Hogwart’s romance between Draco and Harry in muggle London. Includes red mittens, snide comments, cheesy lines, sliding on linoleum, pinching, nipple rings, bosses on sugar-highs, sex-obsessed friends, cooking shows, an author who doesn’t shut up, and much more besides. Harry/Draco | romance/drama | R Oh, and re: your topic on Rose piloting the TARDIS, someone on [slashdot](http://slashdot.org) asked "Why can’t the Doctor be regenrated as female?, (there was a rumour that he would be, awhile ago, and he did, in an authorized parody in which he did. Someone there asked the exact same question as you, and the answer was: > **[Dr. Who Series Star Quits - Slashdot](https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/05/03/31/1258253/dr-who-series-star-quits)** > > TinheadNed writes "The day after the BBC confirmed there will be a second Doctor Who series next year, as well as a Christmas special, new Dr Who actor Christopher Eccleston has revealed he will not continue in the role, for fears of being typecast. ... > [@Sentry21](#): > > There have been female Time Lords, but the Doctor is a guy. The last thing we need is a gender-bending regeneration to lose all the former fans due to fanservice. > > Unless, of course, you mean have a DIFFERENT Doctor, who is female, in which case you could do the whole Highlander-the-series protege-dies-then-comes-back-to-life revelation, ‘Rose, you’re actually a Time Lord that was left on this planet as a baby etc. etc’, perhaps the love child of the doctor and Rose’s mother, and we could turn it into a space opera with Daleks. > > Actually, this is starting to sound weird enough that it just might work. After all, they only have two Doctors left anyway. Personally, I’m hoping that when they get to their last Doctor, they make a feature film, hugely dramatic, the Doctor sacrifices himself and dies his final time to save the universe. Then at the end, the companion lays dying with the secondary character(s) around, then suddenly, we see the regeneration effect, and s/he changes into a new form. > > ‘Rose…? Is that you?’ > ‘Yes… But please, call me… Doctor.’ > > _Cue badass Dr Who theme_ The reply to it was as follows: > [@\[](#): > > The thread is quite old now so I doubt many will see this but for more info on one of the key people involved in the creation of the badass Dr. theme tune have a look here. > > [URL=http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/]Delia Derbyshire Website](philkerr[/URL) [[delia-derbyshire.org](http://delia-derbyshire.org)] > > Delia created the theme tune from Ron Grainer’s original score. On first hearing it Grainer was tickled pink: “Did I really write this?” he asked. “Most of it,” replied Derbyshire. > > In an age when women were not “allowed” in recording studios she is pretty much responsible for one of the most recognised TV theme tunes ever. > > /Mad props, Delia. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528/26 "2005-04-07T15:49:47Z")
As I recall, they can only travel into the past, not the future. Sure, they have traveled into the future of earth, but that is the past to the timelords. Also, the all purpose paradox preventor is the…, well, let me quote from [“The Dangers of Exceeding the Blinovitch Limitation Effect”](http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jeriwho/dangetoc.htm) > [@Jeri Massi](#): > > “But Doctor! What about that Blinovitch stuff?” she asked. > > His eyebrows lifted. “Stuff?” > > “Yes, you know—can’t change the history that you’re a part of. All that. Those guerrillas that we ran into in the twenty second century got themselves stuck in one of those loop things where they were always going back and recreating their own future. You said so yourself.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dr-who-episode-2-the-end-of-the-world-spoilers/297528.md?page=1)