# drad dog: Fuck you, you smug, douchebag troll **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965 "2017-10-15T18:36:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/121 "2017-10-22T14:37:01Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Wow. When you start dipping less frequently into SDMB - as I have - you miss a lot of undercurrents and history. As best I could tell, **drad dog** was just some guy prolly named Goddard who had interesting musical tastes, but clearly he’s pissed off a lot of people. > > It’s hard to keep up with the internal politics of this place. Read the Prince thread I link to in the OP. Classic Dope blend of perspectives, with a turd or two in the punch bowl. You’ve always approached music threads thoughtfully, **Maserschmidt** - a good thread shouldn’t _have_ any fucking internal politics, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/122 "2017-10-22T15:54:51Z")
May I just ask - what is with **septimus** and the crazy font shenanigans lately? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/123 "2017-10-22T17:32:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **drad dog** was unfamiliar to me, but I just stumbled on the following post in another thread and recalled that he was the subject of a Pitting. > > America is now serving the worst catastrophe in its history since the Civil War. Why should we worry about a petty musician when the country and perhaps even Western civilization is under a severe threat? > > Please reserve all your anger for Trump, the GOP and the millions of ignorant Americans happily leading this country to perdition. > > I reject this Pitting. So no one is allowed to be pissed off about anything else but Trump during his administration? And if a douchebag is anti-Trump, that let’s his douchebaggery off the hook? Douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/124 "2017-10-22T17:36:16Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > May I just ask - what is with **septimus** and the crazy font shenanigans lately? shouty voice, tsk tsk :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/125 "2017-10-22T22:02:36Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > ETA: **Crazyhorse** - bludgeoning folks with text is never pretty, but I appreciate the intent all the way. It’s not supposed to be pretty. It’s supposed to be Petty. When Google digests this thread in its entirety it will be getting bumped for years into the future by people doing all kinds of searches about Tom Petty. I’m petty but I’m also lazy. I prefer to automate rubbing drad dog’s nose in it even after the novelty has worn off for the current participants. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/126 "2017-10-23T09:42:59Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > It’s not supposed to be pretty. It’s supposed to be Petty. When Google digests this thread in its entirety it will be getting bumped for years into the future by people doing all kinds of searches about Tom Petty. I’m petty but I’m also lazy. I prefer to automate rubbing drad dog’s nose in it even after the novelty has worn off for the current participants. You play with a long view, sir. I couldn’t get the title right, and you’re planning for when Skynet drives this Pitting. I feel like one of the McDonald’s brothers talking to Ray Kroc. Would you like fries with that :bump:? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/127 "2017-10-23T17:31:52Z")
That idiot is _still_ bitching about the thread title. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839725](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839725) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/128 "2017-10-23T17:37:06Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > That idiot is _still_ bitching about the thread title. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839725](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839725) Obviously hasn’t fucked enough cacti yet. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/129 "2017-10-23T17:56:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Obviously hasn’t fucked enough cacti yet. Clearly it’s the cactus’ turn to fuck him for a change. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/130 "2017-10-23T18:12:24Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Clearly it’s the cactus’ turn to fuck him for a change. Maybe we need a GD thread: Is it worse to fuck a cactus or to be fucked by a cactus. Discuss. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/131 "2017-10-23T20:24:51Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > That idiot is _still_ bitching about the thread title. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839725](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839725) Good lord, the gift that keeps on giving. Keep fuckin’ that cactus, **ddog**. I noticed his thoughtful contribution to the Petty vs Mellencamp thread. Other folks are offering their POVs from all angles, then **drad doggy dog** posts (I paraphrase) “anyone can see JCM is a hack and a loser and if you like him, you are so uncool.” Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/132 "2017-10-23T20:42:06Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > **drad dog** , I’ve had enough. The last straw is in your “I think Tom Petty is overrated” thread when you say, in response to someone commenting that some folks might think Prince is overrated, you reply: > > To be clear: No one started a thread about Prince being overrated. Here it is: [Why is Prince considered to be a genius? - Cafe Society - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=791111) The OP is asking why folks hold him up so highly. YOU, however, stopped by to threadshit, oh, excuse me, “drop some supposedly heretical knowledge on folks who think they know better” where basically you came across as a three year who kept asking WHY? > > “I don’t like that track!!! Prove it to me!!! Is this the track that is supposed to change my mind??? Guitarists aren’t real artists anyway, and my rules matter most!!!” > > No, you chucklehead, we are not here to come on bended knee bringing you tasty treats. Fucking engage in a dialogue and respect what others have to say. > > But that ain’t gonna happen. > > As for Petty, at least you had the decency to start a separate “Prove it to me. Prove it to me. I am smugger and douchier than thou, but Prove it to me anyway” thread. > > As many folks are chiming in, Petty was never on a majority’s tippy top list. But he was like the Oakland Raiders in the 1970’s - they were your second-faves beyond your fanboy/girl team. You just kinda liked them. > > However, he sold a HUGE volume of records. Gained the songwriting respect of Bob Dylan and George Harrison. Had songs that are part of the fabric of (certainly U.S.) culture from the 1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s. Free Fallin’ will be used for some 3D holo-documentary about the U.S. in a hundred or so years when you and I will be long forgotten. > > And you want me/Dopers to prove to you that he’s not overrated? Fuck you. He’s worthy of more respect than you, you smug douche. Petty was never my guy - I maintain four or so of his songs on guitar and rarely put on his albums - but I understand the facts of his career and respect him for it. Coming at it from that standpoint, one might choose to observe that perhaps Bob Dylan and George Harrison found a concise haiku in the best of Petty’s lyrics: “She was an American Girl, raised on promises.” “You think you’re gonna take her away, with your money and your cocaine.” “She was a good girl, crazy 'bout Elvis.” We can picture these people in a phrase. What can you write that comes close to that? Petty’s best songs capture a longing, an outsider’s isolation and bitterness, in a way that Sting, Mr. King of Pain, can only approach with a sledgehammer. > > But you would never have a conversation that led to that type of discussion because you are such a fucking smug douchebag troll. > > Go away or grow up. Huh…and here I thought it was just me who thought this guy was a super douche and troll. I have to say, I never encountered this poster until a GD thread on the 2nd Amendment, but I found him incredibly annoying. I was torn between him just being stupid or deliberately trolling. Based on this thread and some of the responses, seems both could be true. Good pitting and well deserved! ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/133 "2017-10-24T02:36:58Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > That idiot is _still_ bitching about the thread title. What a weenie. I’m reminded of what a weenie Tom Petty wasn’t. He was fearless in his delivery from the time he was a teenager. drad dog’s cowardice and lack of basic musical sensibilities stand in sharp contrast to Petty’s authentic, swaggering confidence and musical talent. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/134 "2017-10-24T05:18:22Z")
I don’t often come into the Pit, so I’d been unaware of this particular pitting until now. Also, I nearly never swear, so I’m getting _that_ out of my system here, too. 😃 First: if you’re enough of an asshat to get **WordMan** , of all people, to start a Pit thread…holy fucking shit, dude! WordMan’s one of the most intelligent, reasoned people on this board, for fuck’s sake. Second: I agree with many of my colleagues here – drad dog’s “contributions” to music discussions are useless, and I’ve learned to just tune them out. I never went into his “I hate Tom Petty” thread because I knew it’d be a waste of my time and energy. And, finally: > [@WordMan](#): > > You don’t think I’m “tall and extra pretty”?! You are a terribly handsome man, my friend. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/135 "2017-10-24T09:37:08Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I don’t often come into the Pit, so I’d been unaware of this particular pitting until now. > > Also, I nearly never swear, so I’m getting _that_ out of my system here, too. 😃 > > First: if you’re enough of an asshat to get **WordMan** , of all people, to start a Pit thread…holy fucking shit, dude! WordMan’s one of the most intelligent, reasoned people on this board, for fuck’s sake. > > Second: I agree with many of my colleagues here – drad dog’s “contributions” to music discussions are useless, and I’ve learned to just tune them out. I never went into his “I hate Tom Petty” thread because I knew it’d be a waste of my time and energy. > > And, finally: You are a terribly handsome man, my friend. 😃 And you, sir, have a keen eye and discerning air about you. And, seriously, thanks. What’s cool about the Dope is that geekery shared with reasoned interest wins out over partially warmed-over douchiness. Folks are saying I am good guy; that’s great, but mostly it’s because I think our rules make great sense and I try to embrace them - with apparent exception of word choice in the Pit ;). \* What’s fascinating is that, back in the TP v JCM thread in CS, a whole bunch of folks who rarely, if ever, hang out in music threads (lurkers maybe??), have posted really thoughtful things about both artists. Having a bit less douchiness in a thread is inviting, especially when the topic is worthy and kinda poignant. It’s a way to articulate a form of respect for either person you favor, or both. (Petty as Edward Hopper. Hmm. I would argue that JCM is Hopper - I see a remove to both of their works, although in the other thread, folks are offering examples otherwise. Tom Petty is, I dunno, Pony Boy. Or Steve Rogers pre Super Soldier injection. Norman Rockwell painting John Steinbeck scenes. Hmm, gotta post this in the other thread…) \*In the ATMB, **ddog** started his thread. His comment was something like “I may need it (be able to say the wrong thing, like I did) really quickly.” If that’s for me, cool. But this thread’s been here for a bit now, so I’m not sure what’s quick about it. You’re around and still posting. You saw my earlier post about what this comes down to: You have a lousy posting approach. Once you’ve gotten as upset as you need to be because of the wording - and here I thought I was being Punk Rock and you’d respect my directness - if you have something to say, get in here and fucking well say it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/136 "2017-10-24T11:07:56Z")
After **Colibri** ’s reponse, I would not try it, either. He’s not allowed to bring up the topic again, and was specifically told “don’t do it” in response to saying “Fuck you” to you. He clearly believes he is being unfairly treated by the mods. In those situations, I would be scared to rock the boat, unless I was willing to wind up banned. And, yes, those threads are douchy, and he should stop. It’s possible to do that sort of thread and not be douchy, but he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/137 "2017-10-24T11:15:12Z")
He can tell me to go fuck whatever his heart desires, so that shouldn’t be an issue. I’ll appreciate his intent 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/138 "2017-10-24T12:12:40Z")
How did I miss this pitting until now!? I’m surprised that this didn’t come after the Prince thread and even more surprised that he got\*\* Wordman\*\* to pit him! As a lifelong musician and music fan, there’s nothing I hate more than negative criticism of any music. Douchebags that try to impose their “superior” musical tastes are fucking poseurs who probably could string 3 chords together or write a fucking limerick. If you don’t like it or get it, that’s fine but you have to be a real asshat to not appreciate that other people DO like it and DO get it. Luckily, [Tom Petty left a message for **drad dog** …everyone feel free to join in on the chorus!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8) ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/139 "2017-10-24T12:57:09Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s cool about the Dope is that geekery shared with reasoned interest wins out over partially warmed-over douchiness. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965/140 "2017-10-24T13:24:33Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > \*i like to abbreviate usernames if they come across as nicely-intended and fun. I was getting ready to reply to your post, and typed out “Uke Ike” but then mentally said it out loud. :eek: Hee hee, that was funny! As I assume Uke knows, “yoo-koo-lay-lee” isn’t ideally how it’s pronounced. I’m no native for sure, but I’ve lived in Hawaii enough that “yoo” sounds touristy. Locals say it more like “ook-oo-LEH-leh.” ::checks Google:: …Yeah, [here’s a cite that agrees](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AUkulele): > [@](#): > > People keep on saying this wrong…I am reediting this again… it’s not, nor was it yoo-kə-lay-lee… The correct way to say this word is OO-koo-LE-le… It means Jumping flea in Hawaiian. It was created when the Hawaiians saw the Portuguese playing the instrument really fast… I am a native Hawaiian (mixed) and have been here in Hawaii my whole life. When saying this word you should never say LAY or LEE. > > From the first time anyone started the word with “yoo” someone should have corrected them on the pronunciation. It is a Hawaiian word therefore the correct way to say it in the Hawaiian language should come first and foremost. Variations must be included, of course, stating and stressing that although they have become popular ways to say it, they are most definitely wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drad-dog-fuck-you-you-smug-douchebag-troll/798965.md?page=8)