# Dragonfly98, if anyone has been just beggin for a pitting, it's you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905 "2003-08-08T20:48:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@Ringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ringo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/61 "2003-08-10T05:09:20Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by_ **splatterpunk** > _He can’t. He knows his position is philosophically indefensible…_ [underlining added] No, I don’t think he does know that. Nor do I think he _can_ know that. That was my earlier point. He’s flyin’ outside the loop, and can’t process information quite like the rest of us. But I’d WAG that he votes. If you can be registered in CA with a van for an address. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/62 "2003-08-10T05:12:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Kyla > i don’t have a clue as to what you are trying to say. From all appearances you are a bona fide idiot. FTR i’m glad you’re not impressed. Really. You don’t get it? i believe it. You’ve been a veggie for four years? Riiight. Well i’ve got news for you… you’ve been a self-righteous oaf for a lot longer. For shame! Bwahahaahahahahahah! Oh, the _irony_! P.S. Why on earth do you doubt that I’m a vegetarian? Because I’m not ganging up with you to accuse everyone else of being a murderer? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/63 "2003-08-10T06:40:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dragonfly98 \* > \*\ ***Q.E.D** > > Yes Miller addressed me. You got a problem with that? It appears that you are yet another one of the functionally illiterate morons that haunt this BBS. Get it together fuckwit.\*\* Ok. Here are **Miller** ’s two posts in this thead prior to your accusation of threatening you: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Miller You know, if he really thought we were insane, murdering, torturing, morally deficient homicidal maniacs, you’d think he’d be more polite when he addressed us, just out of self-preservation._ > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Miller I always say, it’s not a real meal unless an animal has had to die for it. I’d say a conservative 100% of my meals in the last five years have had some sort of dead animal involved in the preparation. Preferably, something cute and fuzzy. There’s definitely some sort of direct link between cuteness and tastiness. By my logic, the tastiest thing in the world would have to be fried kittens, but for some reason my local butcher refuses to stock them._ So please, then, show me where he directly addressed _you_ OR made a threat. Yes, one of us is a fuckwit, but it ain’t me. ---
**Author:** ![viking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@viking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/viking)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/64 "2003-08-10T07:09:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dragonfly98 \* > \*\*_yawn_ > > **viking** > > Blah blah blah yourself! > > […] > > Nice try fuckwit. Now be a good boy and fetch me my slippers! > > \*\* Well, I for one feel quite utterly defeated by **dragonfly** ’s superior intellect and debating skills. Woof. [wags tail and drops **dragonfly** ’s slippers at his feet] [looks up, in hopes of a doggie treat] [poos on carpet] ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/65 "2003-08-10T07:25:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dragonfly98 \* > \*\* It appears that you are yet another one of the functionally illiterate morons that haunt this BBS. Get it together fuckwit. > > \*\* Great. Another obnoxious asshole feigning superiority. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/66 "2003-08-10T07:40:14Z")
May I just step in here and say that we vegetarians would like to disavow any knowledge of this idiot? If you guys could cook and eat him, it’d really help us out, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/67 "2003-08-10T07:58:53Z")
No, no, **carrot** , no can do. You are offering us tainted meat. ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/68 "2003-08-10T11:46:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dragonfly98 \* > **neutron star** > > You say, and i quote “Man, this guy has some pretty whacked out priorities.” First let me say that beauty and/or stupidity is in the eye of the beholder. Actual mileage man vary. Secondly, my only “crime” here is to have gone to a certain thread on this bbs and make the statement that “i cannot support sport hunting” in any way shape manner or form. You OTOH can do no better than to bellyache, criticize and belittle, and also offer nothing but wholesale, and i might add unnecessary condemnation of my actions. Can we say look in the mirror? First of all, I never said you committed a crime. Did anybody? And what am I supposed to look in the mirror at? Frankly, my comments to you were a hell of a lot nicer than than the various insults you’ve slathered _everyone_ in this thread with. > [@](#): > > About the remark about me being able to feed myself, and my efforts to maintain a veggie diet: i say that was then this is now. In fact i wasn’t in dire financial straits then and i am not now. Fair enough, but you’ve got to admit what you wrote in your diary could certainly lead someone to believe that you were. The line “As i am about to hit rock bottom as far as living conditions go, i will start to post more often what my activities are, and what i eat.” sure sounds pretty clear. Plus, I mean, dude, you’re homeless. Even if you’re getting day labor and aren’t starving, you’d have a much easier time saving up for an apartment deposit or something if you weren’t eating pricey organic foods. > [@](#): > > Tell me, would you go out and murder/maim/injure or otherwise harm a fellow human being, if it kept you off the welfare roles? Now i’m talking ultra-science fiction here, but try to consider this hypothetical point nonetheless. No, but an animal is not a human being. If you’re going to equate the two in this way, then I’d consider it more than fair to ask you why you refuse to eat animals despite the fact that many of them are carnivorous themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Bugnorton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bugnorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bugnorton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/69 "2003-08-10T13:45:21Z")
I have perused this thread for the last couple of days and I, too, think we may be dealing with a very _special_ type here. I think the synaptic lapses may have become a little long for our friend DF98. That being said, this is the first time I can recall someone trying to explain their views using a “the _ **means** _ justify the _ **end** _” rationale. As part of the teeming masses, I want to call on DF98 to explain how he reconciles the enviornmental destruction of agriculture, and his passive participation therein, with his _uncompromising_ assertions concerning the sanctity of _ **all** _ animal (only?) life. Human beings have always had a profound impact on the enviornment and IMO, anyway, the best we can do is to attempt to mitigate the profundity through increasing awareness of and concern for our actions and their consequences in the long and short term. BTW, **Scylla** , thank you for elucidating your philosophy of hunting. While I am not a hunter, I have know a rare few, such as yourself, who hunt for reasons other than to have a big dead animal head on the wall. Your remarks were truly appreciated and helpful; you have stamped out a little piece of ignorance over my way. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/70 "2003-08-10T15:15:47Z")
I think **Bugnorton** , that most of us who hunt, (and you’ll find that I express this view in the ‘Can anyone support sport hunting?’ thread) don’t do so to have an animal’s head on our wall. I hunt because that is what I evolved to do. I am a human animal, a part of nature, a part which spent many thousands of years as an omnivorous creature. I hunt animals who are neither poor nor defenseless. I hunt deer, who have evolved as a prey animal with a very well honed defense system. I hunt deer in their natural habitat, in which they are at home and I am not, in which they can hear, see and smell me coming without me ever knowing they are there, in which they can run faster than me and jump higher than me. Sometimes they win, and I go home without meat. Sometimes I win, and I go home with meat. Either way, I respect them as my adversary. I think you’d find that there are more hunters who respect the land and the animals than there are hunters who don’t. It’s just that, unfortunately, the ones who don’t make a hell of a lot more noise. ---
**Author:** ![racinchikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@racinchikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racinchikki)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/71 "2003-08-10T16:50:19Z")
I know it’s not really fair, but I find it a hell of a lot easier to respect the many vegetarians and vegans I have known over the years when they say their diet is their personal choice, rather than using it to tell me that my preference for fried chicken and the occasional ham sandwich = MURDRER!!!#211123141!! Especially because, in my experience, the MUDER!!!KY`1!423 people are incredibly incoherent. This thread is SO not helping prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/72 "2003-08-10T20:10:46Z")
I’m actually a little concerned about **dragonfly**. I don’t think he’s smart enough to be a vegan. While it is certainly possible to eat a healthy, complete diet that does not consist of any animal matter, it takes a certain amount of planning and forethought to make sure you’ve found a suitable replacement for all the nutrients you’d normally get through eating meat. Based on his posts here, I don’t think **dragonfly** is intellectually capable of doing that. Poor little moron is likely to starve himself to death on an all-tofu diet. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/73 "2003-08-10T20:51:13Z")
> [@](#): > > from _Miller_ > Poor little moron is likely to starve himself to death on an all-tofu diet. **Miller** , are you threatening him again?!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Blackeyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f6c823/32.png) [@Blackeyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackeyes)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/74 "2003-08-11T01:36:39Z")
I just had a nice long slab of boneless meat for dinner. In that meal I had a large baked potato and an ear of corn, as well as a tall glass of milk. On my corn and potato I slathered on butter, and in my potato I sprinkled a large amount of bacon bits into it. Fear me, you pusillanimous sack of crap Mother Earth. This is a personal war, and I will win for I am your end. ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/75 "2003-08-11T05:50:50Z")
I should have read the rest of the thread, but I didn’t…like a dumbass… Anyhow, it’s one thing to believe in what you believe, it’s another thing entirely to be an ass about it. Hell, I live a mostly vegetarian (not VEGAN God Forbid) lifestyle. I love meat but getting a good cut of meat that hasn’t been injected with hormones and antibiotics is an expensive move. However, people that have no sense enough to understand that in many cultures, outside their own misguidance, meat is a huge staple in their diet. Northern cultures have subsisted off meat, seafood and other such forms during the winter months when vegies aren’t available. People that think that a primary diet of animal muscle is sad, it’s okay with me. What bugs me are the assholes that have only one view of the situation and offer little to the debate than saying people who hunt (most everyone I know hunts to suppliment the family food) are stupid and have no morals need a good lesson in life. My cat is carnivorous. My rat is carnivorous…Hell, I eat meat once in a while…I prefer to have buffalo as it’s better for you than chicken even… But I can tell you that I know NO persons that hunt for sport. They hunt (and I have many) for food, not to be criminals. A ten dollar hunting license can net a family of four several months of meat. A source of protien that is important to our diet. Heck I probably don’t get enough of animal protein. ---
**Author:** ![SlickRoenick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SlickRoenick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlickRoenick)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/76 "2003-08-11T06:51:42Z")
I always get a kick out of what this guy has to say. [http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html](http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html) ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/77 "2003-08-11T06:53:56Z")
For the love of Bog, won’t someone please think of the brocolli!!! ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/78 "2003-08-11T13:38:05Z")
I was going to have the 18 oz. prime rib last night at the steakhouse, but I remembered this thread, and wanted to do my part to save the world. So I only had the 14 oz. prime rib. And I had the cream of wild rice soup instead of the ham and bean. The wild rice soup did have little pieces of chicken in it, though, but I think it was less than the ham. The wheat breat was vegetarian, but I’m pretty sure I could taste the rabbits that were crushed in the harvesting process. At least, I used it to mop up the rest of the _au jus_. Then, of course, meat-flavoured beer to wash it all down. ---
**Author:** ![dragonfly98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@dragonfly98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dragonfly98)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/79 "2003-08-11T18:36:18Z")
**Miller** > [@](#): > > I don’t think he’s smart enough to be a vegan. And you should talk! 🙂 Actually Miller i’m not _dumb_ enough to be an omni. BTW “it wasn’t a threat just ask my friends” Miller, don’t your remarks belong in the category known as low brow, spiteful and totally irrelevant "_ad hominem_ remarks? Just wondering. **jinwicked** i do think of the brocolli, and i think it tastes pretty damn good. To all the other half-assed fuckwits, doomsayers and naysayers: **Read my Disclaimer.** ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905/80 "2003-08-11T19:00:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dragonfly98 \* > \*\*BTW “it wasn’t a threat just ask my friends” Miller… \*\* That’s MISTER “it wasn’t a threat you illiterate fucktard” Miller to you, pal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dragonfly98-if-anyone-has-been-just-beggin-for-a-pitting-its-you/193905.md?page=5)