# DrDeth vs Hurricane Ditka: who's the bigger troll? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958 "2019-04-23T22:40:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/81 "2019-05-03T17:03:49Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > But Jesus, if you guys can’t handle actual legitimate criticism from the “other side” then… I don’t know what to tell you. Welcome to the SDMB. > [@](#): > > My best guess is that the customary and vicious hazing of any new conservative Doper got out of control. Usually the nastiest and most tribal hazing mostly goes away after a while if a conservative shows that s/he has some brains and isnt entirely antagonistic. Not so with **HD**. Not so with **HD** , because [ul][li]He does have brains[/li][li]He doesn’t back down and is not easily intimidated, and[/li][li]He doesn’t go into the Pit. [/ul]It’s less fun screaming at someone if they aren’t listening. [/li] > [@](#): > > I am not offering an opinion on either the Kiwi censorship or Ditka’s joke. I’m just trying to understand why people are so out to get HD that they will claim he’s a white nationalist who finds dead Muslims funny when he made a joke about NZ policy. Because [ul][li]He does have brains[/li][li]He doesn’t back down and is not easily intimidated, and[/li][li]He’s a Republican.[/ul][/li][quote] Are there really that many people here that want this place to become a total Circle-Jerk, Leftist-Love Echo chamber? How fucking boring. [/quote] Ideally, for many of the Usual Suspects there would be a certain number of conservatives showing up, and being baited/browbeaten into blowing up, breaking the rules, and getting Banned. The Usuals want reassurance. They don’t always get it IRL - Republicans win elections and court cases. They want, therefore, to get it here. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/82 "2019-05-03T17:30:54Z")
Brave champion Shodan! Above it all and his team wins elections, too! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/83 "2019-05-03T17:39:11Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Welcome to the SDMB.Not so with **HD** , because > [ul][li]He does have brains[/li][li]He doesn’t back down and is not easily intimidated, and[/li][li]He doesn’t go into the Pit. [/ul]It’s less fun screaming at someone if they aren’t listening. [/li]Because [ul][li]He does have brains[/li][li]He doesn’t back down and is not easily intimidated, and[/li][li]He’s a Republican.[/ul]Ideally, for many of the Usual Suspects there would be a certain number of conservatives showing up, and being baited/browbeaten into blowing up, breaking the rules, and getting Banned. [/li] > The Usuals want reassurance. They don’t always get it IRL - Republicans win elections and court cases. They want, therefore, to get it here. > > Regards, > Shodan You seem to like really conservatives that don’t back down. Like, how you work at an airport so you’re an expert in electric cars, yet nobody can convince you that the two have nothing to do with each other. This same point also applies to your definition of what “having brains” means. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/84 "2019-05-03T17:47:43Z")
I assume that made sense in your head before you typed it. That’s pretty much the only place it would. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/85 "2019-05-03T17:49:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The Usuals want reassurance. They don’t always get it IRL - Republicans win elections and court cases. They want, therefore, to get it here. > > Regards, > Shodan I keep telling ya, Kreskin, with a mind-reading power like that, you need to start hitting the sideshow circuit! :rolleyes: Renumerations, CaptMurdock ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/86 "2019-05-03T17:57:14Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > DrDeth is just stupid. HD is the troll. I’m sure DrDeth is relieved to hear that. LOL ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/87 "2019-05-03T18:07:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > He does have brains > > … > > Regards, > Shodan Nah, I confronted him on the climate change issue, HurricaneDitka reached for the “We can’t do anything about this now, so lets have more babies so hopefully one of them will solve that problem” non solution from Senator Lee (R)\*, that was [not even wrong.](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wron) He certifiably does not have brains. - Republican, what a surprise [/s] ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/88 "2019-05-03T18:44:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I assume that made sense in your head before you typed it. That’s pretty much the only place it would. Wait – when I repeat your nonsense to you, THAT’S the precise moment it stops making sense? Right wingers have really fallen into this performance art thing, but I still don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/89 "2019-05-03T19:20:37Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > I keep telling ya, Kreskin, with a mind-reading power like that, you need to start hitting the sideshow circuit! > > :rolleyes: > > Renumerations, > > CaptMurdock I’ve been impressed by Doper mind reading abilities for many years, but I’m continually disappointed that Doper psychics like Shodan never seem to use their powers for anything but revealing the crippling inferiority of liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/90 "2019-05-03T19:50:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Welcome to the SDMB.Not so with **HD** , because > [ul][li]He does have brains[/li][li]He doesn’t back down and is not easily intimidated, and[/li][li]He doesn’t go into the Pit. [/ul]It’s less fun screaming at someone if they aren’t listening. [/li]Because [ul][li]He does have brains[/li][li]He doesn’t back down and is not easily intimidated, and[/li][li]He’s a Republican.[/ul]Ideally, for many of the Usual Suspects there would be a certain number of conservatives showing up, and being baited/browbeaten into blowing up, breaking the rules, and getting Banned. [/li] > The Usuals want reassurance. They don’t always get it IRL - Republicans win elections and court cases. They want, therefore, to get it here. > > Regards, > Shodan I believe that he would arouse a lot less ire if he were a more honest debater. I’ll allow that there is partisan feeling as well, but I, at least, find him incredibly frustrating to deal with because of his behavior not because of his politics. I don’t have the same problem with other conservatives on the Board, including yourself. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/91 "2019-05-03T20:10:57Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I believe that he would arouse a lot less ire if he were a more honest debater. I’ll allow that there is partisan feeling as well, but I, at least, find him incredibly frustrating to deal with because of his behavior not because of his politics. I don’t have the same problem with other conservatives on the Board, including yourself. **Shodan** wouldn’t know an honest debate if it bit him in the ass. He provides cites that don’t show what he claims they do (never quoting the useful part of the cite) and sometimes just vomits out a bunch of cites, never bothering to quote anything useful. The two cites I followed up on were bullshit. That’s if he provides any – usually, he just drops a sarcastic libs-are-stoopid rant into an otherwise useful conversation. **HD** can sometimes be useful in a back-and-forth, but if things start to go against him, he just fades away. **DrDeth** is just a poor debater, I think, and misunderstands his cites. I don’t see him as trollish at all. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/92 "2019-05-03T21:32:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve been impressed by Doper mind reading abilities for many years, but I’m continually disappointed that Doper psychics like Shodan never seem to use their powers for anything but revealing the crippling inferiority of liberals. Because when I try to read your minds, that’s all there is to see. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/93 "2019-05-03T21:46:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Because when I try to read your minds, that’s all there is to see. > > Regards, > Shodan Okay, that’s a pretty good clapback. That’s the difference between you and **HD** , though. You’re politically conservative, but you also post in Cafe Society and MPSIMS about non-political stuff. And you have a sense of humor - I’ve seen you indulge in self-deprecation. While I think you’re usually wrong (about politics, anyway), I don’t think you participate in this board just to flame the liberals. **Hurricane Ditka** , on the other hand… Well, he raised a valid point - or, at least, a point worthy of discussion - in a thread about New Zealand’s government censoring the livestream of the Christchurch mosque massacre. But he also took the opportunity to call New Zealand a “tyrannical shithole”. That’s when I decided he was just a troll and not worthy of interaction. Chickenshit, too, since he won’t come to the Pit to attack his critics or defend himself. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/94 "2019-05-03T23:54:02Z")
Only in a thread about conservative trolls could someone like **Shodan** try to make it about himself. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/95 "2019-05-03T23:58:47Z")
Playa’s gotta play. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/96 "2019-05-04T00:30:28Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > But he also took the opportunity to call New Zealand a “tyrannical shithole”. That’s when I decided he was just a troll and not worthy of interaction. Chickenshit, too, since he won’t come to the Pit to attack his critics or defend himself. Calling a place a “tyrannical shithole” is the definitive troll behavior? That’s strange. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/97 "2019-05-04T01:09:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Because when I try to read your minds, that’s all there is to see. See? Shodan (despite his overt racism and obnoxious politics) says funny stuff, and contributes to the board in many ways. If only HD could be more like Shodan, and not the worthless, lying, bloodthirsty, misogynistic coward of a poster that he is. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/98 "2019-05-04T01:16:43Z")
It wouldn’t help. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/99 "2019-05-04T02:55:17Z")
If only I had a pony ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958/100 "2019-05-04T03:09:20Z")
After careful consideration of the contestants, I give “biggest troll” to Dr. Deth. I don’t know if HD is trolling or not. I think he’s a cowardly chump in most discussions. Dr Deth, on the other hand, is a shit-stirring gibbon. I apologize to actual gibbons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeth-vs-hurricane-ditka-whos-the-bigger-troll/832958.md?page=6)