# DrDeth's suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 26, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813 "2021-04-26T21:31:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/41 "2021-04-27T21:35:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > (maybe you are next?) Probably not. I seem to barely register here. I guess that’s OK. (goes off to sulk) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/42 "2021-04-27T21:39:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > A Mod who has taken a personal dislike to me (maybe you are next?) decides, with no basis in fact, that I have a 'pattern"? TPTB obviously believe that your worth as a poster can be salvaged. Are they wrong? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/43 "2021-04-27T21:48:02Z")
Good point, and here was my response in that thread: _Really? We’re banning people due to pittings now?_ _Look, this was a bad call. Warn him, suspend him- and THEN ban him when he does it again- which he likely will._ _Banning people due to popular demand is a really bad idea._ _However, maybe he does have a list of warnings, in which case- good riddance._ ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/44 "2021-04-27T21:51:01Z")
TPTB obviously believed that _his_ worth as a poster could not be salvaged. Several of us ordinary members had been planning to walk out in protest if everything remained business as usual. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/45 "2021-04-27T21:51:13Z")
I like you. You are a good contributor. Maybe better than i am, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/46 "2021-04-27T21:52:32Z")
@DrDeth: It’s not one mod. For one, @What_Exit already mentioned they conferred with the other mods. But it’s also stuff that you have been pitted for, with people repeatedly arguing that such significantly hampers discussion. I understand avoiding the Pit to avoid those who just like to attack people, but it does come with the disadvantage that you may miss out on any legitimate criticisms. There isn’t another forum where criticisms against a poster are allowed. There’s no “constructive criticism” forum. > [@DrDeth](#): > > [about a different poster]Look, this was a bad call. Warn him, suspend him- and THEN ban him when he does it again- which he likely will. That is what they are doing here. They didn’t immediately ban you. They’re telling you to knock it off, and saying that, if you don’t, you may get banned from a thread or topic. If they were to ban you, I would object. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/47 "2021-04-27T22:11:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Maybe better than i am, for sure. Doubtful, but thanks! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/48 "2021-04-27T22:26:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > @DrDeth: It’s not one mod. For one, @What_Exit already mentioned they conferred with the other mods For the record, yes, the mods had a lively discussion and this was our consensus. > [@BigT](#): > > But it’s also stuff that you have been pitted for, with people repeatedly arguing that such significantly hampers discussion. And yes, this, too. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/49 "2021-04-27T22:26:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So this could happen to any of you regular posters here. Somehow, _without even a warning,_ you are _suspended_ for having a imaginary “pattern” of being disruptive, being singled out from a thread where the arguments got out of hand. Is that how we want to run this board? I’ll take my chances. ---
**Author:** ![Enjoy\_Slurm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enjoy_slurm/32/3937_2.png) [@Enjoy\_Slurm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enjoy_Slurm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/50 "2021-04-27T23:07:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Still, I and _I alone_ was banned for that thread for being “off topic” even tho that style was used by a moderator, was used many times after I left that thread (without being moderated) Did you report those banneble posts by the moderator? > [@DrDeth](#): > > I came in trying to get the thread back on track to the Op but was attacked by two posters Did you report the posters who attacked you? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/51 "2021-04-27T23:17:16Z")
He did and he was wrong. He is wrong a lot. In his first post in this thread he says I dislike him and speak badly about him in the pit and at another board. None of this is true. He is trying to play victim, don’t buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/52 "2021-04-27T23:30:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Now then there is the aliens debate. I have to admit i was a little disruptive there. I came in trying to get the thread back on track to the Op but was attacked by two posters. Now, yes, I argued with them- too much I agree. _mea culpa_ , I was wrong there, I got carried away. BUT, and this is critical- I wasnt arguing with myself. If I was being disruptive, so were they. I’m not here to continue our argument from the alien thread, so I’ll keep things general. In the interest of you not being banned in the near future (and FWIW I definitely don’t want you to be banned) I think it’s important to set the record straight. You were not “attacked” in that thread. You just misunderstood the discussion at hand, and dug your heels in when we tried to explain your mistake to you. Another poster put forward a hypothesis - “what if the reason for our observations was X?” K9bfriender and I looked at what what kind of situation would allow X to occur, and, given X, what else might be true, and whether those assumptions and other effects would still be consistent with our observations. You popped into the thread telling us we were both fools for believing X. We both, repeatedly, tried to explain to you that no, we aren’t arguing that X is true; we were trying to explore X as an explanation for our observations, and to determine whether it made any sense. In other words, “X isn’t a good explanation for our observations because, given X, Y is also likely, and Y doesn’t match our observations.” But you insisted on lecturing us about how X was farfetched, totally missing the point, and going on long beyond the point of reasonable discussion. FWIW, I didn’t report your post, as while certainly frustrating and derailing to the thread I didn’t think your steadfast refusal to get the point was against the rules. I am glad to know that I was wrong, and will report such behavior in the future rather than continuing to argue. And I am very glad that the thread has moved on to more productive discussion since. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/53 "2021-04-27T23:32:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > A Mod who has taken a personal dislike to me (maybe you are next?) decides, with no basis in fact, that I have a 'pattern"? With all respect, and not trying to gang up on you, but the Pit thread about you is now at 730 posts and counting. Now granted, it being the Pit, more than half those posts are non-serious or completely off topic, but it would take a particular kind of denial to not recognize that some of the posts are substantive and on-point and that there really is a systemic problem here that is not just due to one mod or one or two posters taking a “personal dislike” to you. In fact, I just looked at the Starving Artist thread mentioned in post #39, and there you are again, being disruptive right in that very thread, until a mod had to tell you to knock it off. The poster I was alluding to previously (not SA, who had a different problem) was eventually banned, not so much for frequently breaking rules, but for being generally disruptive and annoying, seeming to relish arguing in bad faith and pushing the envelope as far as he could on the safe side of the rules. Don’t be that guy. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/54 "2021-04-27T23:57:58Z")
Are there any links? The past practice was that the mod would cite a few examples and then say that the poster was suspended. I agree with @DrDeth that he didn’t do anything wrong in the gun thread, but I don’t know what “alien” thread we are talking about–however he confessed error, so that’s one against him. But what are these “many, many” threads? A few examples, maybe? Nothing personally against What\_Exit, but I respectfully disagree with his/her moderation in most cases. We see it over and over again. Posters are here for 10, 15, 20 years with no problem and then they get warnings, suspensions, and bannings because of new and unstated rules. “Off topic” posts seem pretty easy to control. Just a mild note to kick it back in the fairway. All threads drift and nobody is purposely trying to hijack things here unless they joined last month. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/55 "2021-04-28T01:16:53Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > With all respect, and not trying to gang up on you, but the Pit thread about you is now at 730 posts and counting. I despise the PIT and nothing good ever comes of it. In fact, I am reasonable sure that this sudden dislike of me by What\_Exit is caused by the Pit thread. It does not relieve tensions it just causes more of them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/56 "2021-04-28T01:22:04Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Are there any links? The past practice was that the mod would cite a few examples and then say that the poster was suspended. I agree with @DrDeth that he didn’t do anything wrong in the gun thread, but I don’t know what “alien” thread we are talking about–however he confessed error, so that’s one against him. > [@Is 'Zoo Hypothesis' Mainstream?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-zoo-hypothesis-mainstream/940475/110): > > Us: “A xenocidal super-civilization doesn’t make sense based on what we have observed” You: “A xenocidal super-civilization is a ridiculous idea and I can’t believe you two would argue for its existence!” I’m done here. It turned into a shitstorm, for which i completely agree I am partially, nay _mostly_ at fault. _mea culpa_. I was egged on, but I should learn to ignore them. I was wrong, and **What\_Exit** was completely right in shutting down that thread temporarily, and issuing some Notes. Heck, I wouldnt have been happy about a warning, but maybe deserved. But a suspension, out of the blue? > [@UltraVires](#): > > Nothing personally against What\_Exit, but I respectfully disagree with his/her moderation in most cases. We see it over and over again. Posters are here for 10, 15, 20 years with no problem and then they get warnings, suspensions, and bannings because of new and unstated rules. Yes, exactly. And you know what? When I read his post about the new rules, no more 'contrast and compare" i deleted the two posts I had just made so as to go along with that (even tho I thought he was wrong). My next post was about teen suicide- which What\_Exit had specifically came in to say was now “on topic”. But for that, I got banned from the thread- _for following What\_exits rules._ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/57 "2021-04-28T01:24:52Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You were not “attacked” in that thread. You just misunderstood the discussion at hand, and dug your heels in when we tried to explain your mistake to you. I was, but it was my fault for responding as I did. I apologize for that. I could have just walked away. You gotta admit the other guy was egging me on. But again, my fault. I am sorry. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/58 "2021-04-28T01:27:00Z")
Yes, and I was told to stop it and threatened by What\_Exit for doing so. No, because it was my posts not me. But I was out of line in that thread. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/59 "2021-04-28T01:35:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You gotta admit the other guy was egging me on I gotta do no such thing. But you’ve made it clear that you’d rather play the victim than change your behavior, so I’m not gonna waste any more time on your thread. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813/60 "2021-04-28T03:15:59Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Posters are here for 10, 15, 20 years with no problem and then they get warnings, suspensions, and bannings because of new and unstated rules. Many posters have been acting like jerks for 10, 15 or 20 years. It’s not that there was no problem but that TPTB have finally listened to the posters here that have been complaining all that time. It’s not the new moderators, it’s the new moderation. As to the subject of this thread, he’s doing himself no favors here but I didn’t expect anything otherwise. He’s demonstrating exactly why he’s probably not going to last much longer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drdeths-suspension/940813.md?page=4)