# "Dream Defenders" month-long sit-in in Florida State Capitol continues **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 14, 2013, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195 "2013-08-14T06:18:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/41 "2013-08-17T09:36:30Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Not immediately. They did get a pledge from the Speaker of the House to hold a special hearing on SYG this fall, and they’ll be there, but, it’s still a Pub-controlled legislature in both houses, not much will be done. The value of it is refocusing attention on their issues. I expect all this to have some effects direct and indirect on the political climate for the 2014 election, and none of it good for the Pubs. Any of these effects definable or measurable? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/42 "2013-08-17T09:48:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Don’t forget that they have Jesse Jackson and Harry Belafonte on their side. I guess Noam Chomsky was busy that weekend. He was at a sleep-over at Saul Alinsky’s. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/43 "2013-08-17T17:12:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Any of these effects definable or measurable? Only in the porn sense; we’ll know them when we see them. But they will be unmistakable. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/44 "2013-08-17T17:27:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Only in the porn sense; we’ll know them when we see them. But they will be unmistakable. But you claimed earlier that if the legislature took any action on any of these - > [@](#): > > In addition to fighting Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law, the group hopes new legislation will address school-based arrests and exclusionary disciplines, “zero tolerance” policies, analysis of school-based arrest data, and police training on racial and bias-based profiling. that would be how to measure this group’s success, or lack thereof. The legislature has taken no action on any of it. Is this the kind of “unmistakable” success you are talking about? Where some mouthy little twits hang around the capitol for a month claiming they won’t leave until they achieve what they want, and then go home without achieving any of it? This is rather like that general strike that Occupy called a while back, to which hardly anybody noticed and fewer cared about. As I recall, you thought that was a success as well. Now this is ended without having achieved anything either. Any other ringing successes you want to highlight on the Left’s inexorable march to Victory? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/45 "2013-08-17T17:28:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Only in the porn sense; we’ll know them when we see them. But they will be unmistakable. If I claimed to have psychic powers, along the lines of Sylvia Browne or Edgar Caycee, would you accept that kind of prediction measurement as evidence of my success? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/46 "2014-08-20T22:05:32Z")
[The Dream Defenders](http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/14/4290418/local-groups-gather-to-support.html) [are back](http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2014/08/18/dream-defenders-organize-tallahassee-hands-march/14270583/). ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/47 "2014-08-21T00:31:59Z")
I put them in the same boat as the “we want a (non-specific) fair immigration policy but we’re unwilling to provide any actual policy recommendations we just wanna bitch about how unfair everything is” crowd. IOW: move along folks, nothing to see here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/48 "2014-08-21T00:47:55Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I put them in the same boat as the “we want a (non-specific) fair immigration policy but we’re unwilling to provide any actual policy recommendations we just wanna bitch about how unfair everything is” crowd. > > IOW: move along folks, nothing to see here. They have [some](http://dreamdefenders.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dream-Defenders-School-to-Prison-Pipeline.pdf) [specifics](http://dreamdefenders.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dream-Defenders-Stand-Your-Ground.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/49 "2014-08-21T00:49:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [The Dream Defenders](http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/14/4290418/local-groups-gather-to-support.html) [are back](http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2014/08/18/dream-defenders-organize-tallahassee-hands-march/14270583/). Great. Did they achieve “unmistakeable” success yet? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/50 "2014-08-21T00:52:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They have [some](http://dreamdefenders.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dream-Defenders-School-to-Prison-Pipeline.pdf) [specifics](http://dreamdefenders.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dream-Defenders-Stand-Your-Ground.pdf). Last year I asked: > [@Bricker](#): > > Any of these effects definable or measurable? Well? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/51 "2014-08-21T14:52:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Last year I asked: > > Well? If anything on either of those pages were enacted in legislation, certainly that would be definable/measurable success. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/52 "2014-08-21T15:16:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The Dream Defenders are back. (post modified) So is the New Black Panther Party. Accompanied by a FBI warning that the nbbp was operating in the area. \*ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) – The FBI is concerned members of the New Black Panther Party are in Ferguson, Missouri and advocating violence against police, according to an alert from the St. Louis Division of the FBI, reported KTVI. Chawn Kweli, National Chief of Staff for the NBPP is in town, along with other members, to respond to the shooting of Michael Brown.\* > **[FBI warns of ‘New Black Panther Party’ leader inciting violence in Ferguson](https://www.wtvr.com/2014/08/13/fbi-warns-of-new-black-panther-party-leader-inciting-violence-in-ferguson)** > > The group, founded in 1989, is not an official successor of the Black Panther Party. They have firmly declared, “There is no new Black Panther Party” and condemned the new groups use of the name. I’m sure they just stopped by Ferguson for its healing waters and some tasty St. Louis-style ribs. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/53 "2014-08-21T15:24:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They have [some](http://dreamdefenders.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dream-Defenders-School-to-Prison-Pipeline.pdf) [specifics](http://dreamdefenders.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dream-Defenders-Stand-Your-Ground.pdf). This looks rather similar to what they were calling for last time. > [@](#): > > If anything on either of those pages were enacted in legislation, certainly that would be definable/measurable success. None of it was, or will be. So I guess “success” is not a word to use in connection with this group. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195/54 "2014-08-21T16:39:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > If anything on either of those pages were enacted in legislation, certainly that would be definable/measurable success. And do you then also agree that the LACK of such enactments would mean the group failed to achieve success? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dream-defenders-month-long-sit-in-in-florida-state-capitol-continues/666195.md?page=2)