# Dreams......mysteries occuring? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 26, 2002, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957 "2002-12-26T11:09:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fauxpas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e480ec/32.png) [@fauxpas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fauxpas)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/1 "2002-12-26T11:09:11Z")
Hey guys…well heres my messege…dreams. I know someone (i will not mention their name or rank in my life for special purposes) that has visions. Seriously! I dont care if you believe me or not but they do. They had one about September 11th before it happened…it scared me a lot…theres others as well…theyve seen and been physically attacked by demons! I would show you the pictures of the spirit but I’d probably be ranted on about Photo Shop and such, but this is the real deal. It got soooo far that they experience unusual warts that were the size of fists! Pus and blood regularly fled out as if pumped by. SO my question is: Do dreams occur from experiences, thoughts that have clutter up, something about to happen, or just warnings? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/2 "2002-12-26T11:27:54Z")
I had a dream about an incoherent thread last night… ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/3 "2002-12-26T11:55:58Z")
Here is a [page you might be interested in about dreaming,](http://www.wutsamada.com/phlmind/dreams.htm) **fauxpas**. I also see that the [American Society for Psychical Research](http://www.aspr.com/911survey.html) are doing a survey on dreams experienced related to September 11. Personally, I think you’re more correct in saying that dreams “occur from experiences, thoughts that have clutter(ed) up”, than the foretelling bit. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/4 "2002-12-26T16:48:08Z")
“theyve seen and been physically attacked by demons!” So do they have samples of Demon DNA from under the victim’s fingernails? Seriously though you should read up on the “Old Hag” and “Incubus” syndromes that seem to be related to Sleep Paralysis. From [a Susan Blackmore article](http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/ba96.html): > [@](#): > > Many cultures have what are called sleep paralysis myths. For example the people of Newfoundland in Canada describe an “old hag” who comes in the night and sits on their chests, stopping them from moving, and the Vietnamese have a “Grey ghost”. The medieval incubus and succubus were demons which came in the night and seduced innocent people. They are now thought to have been sleep paralysis as are the stories of fairy abductions and changelings. Personally I think that dreams are effectivly random and our interpretation of them is based on worries/hopes/experience. ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/5 "2002-12-26T17:04:43Z")
James Randi will pay her a million bucks if she can prove it. Seriously. His foundation will even tell her how. ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/6 "2002-12-26T18:15:39Z")
You can find proof of this in the bible. It is in the same book that tells about the great flood and before the one about the parting of the sea. ---
**Author:** ![Urban\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Urban\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urban_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/7 "2002-12-26T18:23:51Z")
You can’t say dreams are predicting anything because dreams are just fragments - bits and pieces all meshed together. Another thing is you can’t remember the details of the dreams unless you write them down as soon as you wake up, and still you can only get the important details of your last dreams. Then there is the problem of vagueness. Is that really the WTC or a generic skyscrapper? Is that a boeing or just a generic passager plane? ---
**Author:** ![fauxpas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e480ec/32.png) [@fauxpas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fauxpas)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/8 "2002-12-26T21:37:38Z")
wow! a lot of replies. I already knew about the incubus and succubus, yet this wasnt something paralyzes…first of all they were stabbed spiritually by SATAN!!! Then they felt the physical pain…kniz you by far have gotten the point. Well Urban Ranger, you are somewhat right and wrong. These dreams come from God (dont care if you believe or not) It was WTC, because it was the day before like I said, and plus they saw the tv showing all this happening and such. ---
**Author:** ![TheNerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@TheNerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheNerd)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/9 "2002-12-26T21:51:36Z")
So… predict something. The next time one of these prophetic dreams happens (to whoever gets them), write down all the details you can _before_ the event. Heck, put them here. It won’t convince anyone here unless the event is public enough, but I bet you’ll discover that what you’re doing is matching up vague impressions to actual events _after_ the fact. As for the picture, put it up online somewhere. Sure we’ll try to debunk it and laugh at you if you faked it, but since you believe you’ve got something genuine, why not try to stump us? ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/10 "2002-12-26T21:54:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fauxpas \* > These dreams come from God \*\*(dont care if you believe or not) \*\* If you’re just going to assume the result, then please let us know from the start. It’s only polite. ---
**Author:** ![fauxpas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e480ec/32.png) [@fauxpas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fauxpas)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/11 "2002-12-26T21:55:15Z")
NO need to stump anyone but these pictures might be too say…frightening? AND I dont have a personal website…mabey I can give an idea of what it looks like? Search what has been described and you’ll most likely find the answer. Oh yeah, Thanks TheNerd for your input. Well this person was going to write a book but God told them not to…who knows…mabey Im doing something wrong by writing this in the first place… ---
**Author:** ![fauxpas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e480ec/32.png) [@fauxpas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fauxpas)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/12 "2002-12-26T21:56:55Z")
Sorry js, I sort of wanted to put in a little more of what has happened while the people reply, it seemed more adequate. ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/13 "2002-12-26T22:38:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fauxpas \* > \*\*Sorry js, I sort of wanted to put in a little more of what has happened while the people reply, it seemed more adequate. \*\* Fair enough. The book sounds like a good idea, I find it hard to believe that god wouldn’t want the activities of the devil detailed for general consumption as a warning. That wasn’t sarcastic; just because _I_ think something is probably non-sense doesn’t mean that I think it shouldn’t see the light of day. ---
**Author:** ![fauxpas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e480ec/32.png) [@fauxpas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fauxpas)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/14 "2002-12-26T23:04:40Z")
hmmm…you make a good point…yet I dont know…we do need money for our house and overdo bills…hmm I think Ill this person about it (yea i know.i gave out the position) ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/15 "2002-12-27T00:27:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fauxpas \* > \*\*hmmm…you make a good point…yet I dont know…we do need money for our house and overdo bills…hmm I think Ill this person about it (yea i know.i gave out the position) \*\* Don’t risk you house for it. Clifford Pickover has some links about book writing advice, along w/ some sites on self-publishing & stuff: sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/writertips.html . Tell your friend good luck in whatever she chooses! ---
**Author:** ![Urban\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Urban\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urban_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/16 "2002-12-27T03:33:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fauxpas \* > wow! a lot of replies. I already knew about the incubus and succubus, yet this wasnt something paralyzes…first of all they were stabbed spiritually by SATAN!!! Then they felt the physical pain…kniz you by far have gotten the point. Well Urban Ranger, you are somewhat right and wrong. These dreams come from God (dont care if you believe or not) It was WTC, because it was the day before like I said, and plus they saw the tv showing all this happening and such. Um, I don’t know what to make of this. What you say makes absolutely no sense to me. Pardon me for being blunt, but it is just gibberish uttered by religious fanatics to me. Just because somebody had a dream of a plane crashing into a skyscrapper the day before 9-11 doesn’t automatically make the building WTC. ---
**Author:** ![fauxpas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e480ec/32.png) [@fauxpas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fauxpas)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/17 "2002-12-27T07:59:34Z")
Yes Urban Ranger it is just gibberish. Its just “gibberish” I’d waste my time on. Regards…if you want? ---
**Author:** ![Bongmaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Bongmaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bongmaster)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/18 "2002-12-27T14:57:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kniz \* > \*\*You can find proof of this in the bible. It is in the same book that tells about the great flood and before the one about the parting of the sea. \*\* You don’t seriously want me to rip this argument to shreds on its merits, do you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Urban\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Urban\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urban_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/19 "2002-12-27T16:57:22Z")
I think he was being satirical. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957/20 "2002-12-27T17:24:08Z")
Here is a question we can get a factual answer to. What happened in this thread? FAUXPAS - Where do you reside? May I ask what country you are from, or what planet for that matter? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dreams-mysteries-occuring/144957.md?page=2)