# Dredging up ancient history:Mueller **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 29, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798 "2022-07-29T20:18:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/41 "2022-07-30T23:00:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you have questions about what a person believes, look at what they do. That’s how you know what they believe. QFT See also: **Matt.** **7:15–20** ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/42 "2022-08-01T19:03:44Z")
> [@Turki-lurki](#): > > Mr Turbo seems quite certain- is there a cite? It’s Dr. Turbo and here’s a one of the proposed voir dire questions in the Tom Barrack case: > 1. This criminal trial may involve individuals and events associated with the Special Counsel Office’s investigation conducted by Robert Mueller. Do you have any strong feelings about the Special Counsel’s Office or its investigation that would prevent you from being fair and impartial in a case involving individuals associated with that entity? [Link](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.466930/gov.uscourts.nyed.466930.139.1.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/43 "2022-08-01T20:29:59Z")
Dear Doctor:Your quote is a clear indication that someone in DoJ has heard of Mueller, but no reassurance that they are using it. BTW- waving a doctorate around in a shaky response invites observations about appeals to false authority. You remember that from informal logic, right? Remember Miss Manners’ quote about doctorates and noses… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/44 "2022-08-01T20:39:58Z")
> [@Turki-lurki](#): > > Dear Doctor:Your quote is a clear indication that someone in DoJ has heard of Mueller, but no reassurance that they are using it. Not true. I’ve been a part of the construction of juror questionnaires many times. They are painstakingly crafted. If the question is in there, there’s a high likelihood evidence will be presented concerning it. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/45 "2022-08-01T22:40:42Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > The Jan. 6 committee has shown us you don’t have to start at the bottom. False. The Jan 6th committee is not a prosecuting body, they’re not building a case, they won’t be holding any trials or making any arrests. Their job is _political oversight_, not _criminal prosecution_. There’s no trial at the end of this, except in the court of public opinion. They have more margin for error, and they can start at the top or middle or wherever they want. The DOJ does not have that luxury. But notice that even the J6 committee didn’t _start_ with Trump. First they worked his allies and underlings to frame later testimony and didn’t even get to Trump himself until 2-3 weeks in. People need to understand that in criminal proceedings, it simply just doesn’t hack it to say “this is real important so let’s go real fast.” If the defendant’s legal team raises a defense that is lame, but the prosecution didn’t bother preparing a response, then that could sink the entire prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/46 "2022-08-03T21:22:03Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > The DOJ does not have that luxury. Of course they do. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/47 "2022-08-03T21:51:10Z")
So, all you care about is Trump being charged, and don’t care if he’s acquitted? ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/48 "2022-08-03T23:06:51Z")
**Exenteration** is a surgical procedure referring to removal of a number of (usually pelvic) organs together in a single block; for instance, a total pelvic exenteration means taking out the uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, ovaries, urinary bladder, and sigmoid colon all together (usually because of locally advanced cancer). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/49 "2022-08-03T23:23:16Z")
So…not a fun word… Ignorance fought today. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/50 "2022-08-03T23:24:34Z")
For a minute, I thought we were playing an online version of Balderdash. But agreed – ignorance fought today. Thanks, @Pazu. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/51 "2022-08-04T00:01:18Z")
Well then I for one would welcome any move by the justice department that would lead to Trump’s total **Exenteration**. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/52 "2022-08-26T00:05:15Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Eek2fKdEB2E/maxresdefault.jpg "Newly unreacted DOJ memo reinforces Bill Barr's coverup of Trump's obstruction of justice crimes") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eek2fKdEB2E) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798/53 "2022-08-29T23:04:10Z")
It can also be done with the [eye](https://eyewiki.aao.org/Exenteration): > [@](#): > > Exenteration is a surgical procedure involving removal of the entire globe and its surrounding structures including muscles, fat, nerves, and eyelids (extent determined by disease being treated). This differs from enucleation, which is the removal of the globe while leaving all other surrounding structures and evisceration, which is the removal of intraocular contents while leaving an intact sclera. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dredging-up-ancient-history-mueller/968798.md?page=2)