# Drive a Tesla, get Sieg Heils? Apparently it ain’t easy being green any more **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 11, 2025, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416 "2025-03-11T03:52:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/121 "2025-03-11T20:19:57Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Looking at your link, while 55% IS a majority, 31% fossil fuel ain’t exactly negligible. Which doesnt include homes with solar panels. Now, they arent as common in Illinois as CA, but how many EV owners have them? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/122 "2025-03-11T20:22:58Z")
Coal about 15% in IL. The first link can find confirming what I’ve see in many other analyses. > **[Yes, Electric Cars Are Cleaner, Even When The Power Comes From Coal](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikescott/2020/03/30/yes-electric-cars-are-cleaner-even-when-the-power-comes-from-coal/)** > > One argument that has been made against electric vehicles is that we must decarbonise the power system first otherwise cars are no cleaner than if they use gasoline. But a new study suggests that EVs help to tackle climate change in all but the most... If interested I’m sure you can find the ones that break it down by regional power generation mix. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/123 "2025-03-11T20:55:36Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > It’s more likely someone just thought it was a funny joke. It appears to come from Kia Norway, who ran an ad campaign using it. It has since been removed but will live on as the stickers are being sold from a bunch of places. > **[South Korea's Kia says it didn't approve an ad saying drivers bought its EV...](https://fortune.com/asia/2025/03/11/kia-removes-ad-tesla-elon-musk-went-crazy/)** > > The advertisement, posted last month by Kia Norway, features the company's EV with a sticker saying: "I bought this after Elon went crazy." ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/124 "2025-03-11T21:05:57Z")
Speaking of crazy Elon stickers, I just posted this in another thread: > [@Custom Licence Plates — Seen in the Wild](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/custom-licence-plates-seen-in-the-wild/992965/1129): > > Saw a good one today. Decently fresh Tesla Model S in a rich dark gray color. The license plate frame was all sparkly rhinestones, no words. The Tesla T logo on the trunk lid was also all sparkly rhinestones. The Florida standard plate read KENNA. Apparently Kenna is a sparkly and stylish lady. The good part was that also on the trunk lid was a sticker. A head & upper torso shot of elon musk. Photoshopped to be wearing a white dress shirt, very hot pink tie with matching hot pink suit jacket.… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/125 "2025-03-11T21:29:35Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Speaking of crazy Elon stickers I’m keeping my eyes peeled for a sticker of Elmo doing his Nazi salute, captioned “I DID THAT!”. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/126 "2025-03-11T21:56:16Z")
I do. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/127 "2025-03-11T23:58:48Z")
> [@Dorjan](#): > > Personally, I find it a bit silly. I get the sentiment, but Teslas are good cars (not you Cybertruck, sit down), despite the current antics of their Dear Leader. Not many people placed a stigma on buying Fords, VWs, Mercedes, Hugo Boss, etc. despite the fascist sympathies of their owners / founders. It’s not silly at all. The fact that the senior Henry Ford was anti-semitic (not to mention violently anti-union) has no relevance to the Ford Motor Company today. The fact that a “car for the people” was Hitler’s pet project had no relevance to the global popularity of the refined VW Beetle and even less relevance to someone buying a VW Tiguan today, and none of those benefited Hitler or the Nazis. Tesla is a completely different situation. Musk is the CEO and also the largest single shareholder, and his stake in the company is the major source of his obscene wealth. Tesla buyers are directly supporting him both by helping to boost the stock price and enabling extravagant bonuses for him. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/128 "2025-03-12T00:05:14Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > But you would presumably do that no matter what brand of car they were driving. Your annoyance had nothing to do with their car being a Tesla per se. It probably did. They were probably in one of the self driving modes. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/129 "2025-03-12T00:23:51Z")
Somebody poorly drew a swastika on a cybertruck and torched a sedan at the local Tesla dealership. What always sticks out is how poorly people draw swastikas, especially if they’re going for that Third Reich look. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/130 "2025-03-12T00:32:44Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > What always sticks out is how poorly people draw swastikas, especially if they’re going for that Third Reich look. A proper vandal would use a stencil! In fact with two stencils and some quick-drying paint you could do a proper red circle with a black swastika inside for a real pro Third-Reich look. The problem with making it look too good is that some Tesla owners (and I’m guessing most Cybertruck owners) might be happy to just keep it! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/131 "2025-03-12T01:44:23Z")
The time to worry is when they get _really good_ at drawing swastikas. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/132 "2025-03-12T01:51:35Z")
My kid started listening to this song constantly last month. Particularly when we are driving in the Tesla. _Rät_ by Penelope Scott is a song about falling out of love with Silicon Valley and probably Elon Musk in particular. I’d thought it was new, but it came out four years ago. I find it a bit clunky as far as protest songs go, but I was raised on the classics. I do like this line though: (Blurred for swears outside the pit. Do we have to do that?) So, fuck your tunnels, fuck your cars Fuck your rockets, fuck your cars again I can’t find an official video, but this one seems to have the most views. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KqyXvMrQDk8/maxresdefault.jpg "penelope scott // rät (lyrics)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqyXvMrQDk8) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/133 "2025-03-13T11:42:33Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > (Blurred for swears outside the pit. Do we have to do that? No, we do not. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/134 "2025-03-13T15:58:47Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > I think an anti-Musk bumper sticker is the right move, > > I wonder what the reaction would be if you brought a car with such a bumper sticker in for service. (And thanks, **Hajario**. I had forgotten all Tesla dealers were company owned.) Forgive me if someone else has already pointed this out; I’ve only gotten this far in the thread, but many bumper stickers now are magnetic, so you could take it off the car when bringing it in for service. Oh, and take it off before going through a car wash; I had a magnetic sticker swept off my car once and the attendant who rescued it for me said it happens a lot. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/135 "2025-03-13T16:52:05Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’ve decided the best option for me at the moment is to have one reasonably efficient ICE which I do not drive much at all (maybe 6k/year.) I’m driving a paid-off 2006 Scion xB ICE with about 115,000 miles on it, still getting over 30 MPG in local driving, would have to get an electrician to set up a charging port in my under-townhouse garage if I bought an EV, so even if Teslas didn’t have the Musk stench on the brand I can’t see buying one. Maybe a hybrid, if I had to get another car, but I hope I won’t have to. If I hit the lottery and could afford it I still wouldn’t buy a Tesla, and I wonder whether the brand will ever fully recover its cachet if Musk doesn’t disappear from the headlines soon. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/136 "2025-03-13T17:10:42Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Oh, and take it off before going through a car wash; I had a magnetic sticker swept off my car once and the attendant who rescued it for me said it happens a lot. You are the first to mention it but it’s not a bad idea. I highly doubt that the service people care though. Coincidentally, I just ordered this magnet. [https://www.etsy.com/listing/1871328333/anti-elon-magnet-rainbow-free-shipping](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1871328333/anti-elon-magnet-rainbow-free-shipping) ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/137 "2025-03-13T17:22:01Z")
I would not break down the revelation of his nature this way. I would say the latest you could think him decent was before the pedophile accusations (pure pettiness) in 2018. Though certainly I saw plenty trying to wave away that and pretend it was no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/138 "2025-03-13T17:44:35Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > I’m driving a paid-off 2006 Scion xB ICE with about 115,000 miles on it, still getting over 30 MPG in local driving, I don’t go out of my way to waste energy or pollute, but I’m not overly impressed that global warming is going to be solved by any individual driver who averages low to moderate mileage converting to EV. If it makes you feel good, go for it. I have never seen the data, but I wonder how consistent persons’ ownership of EVs is with their overall carbon footprint. I’m sure a lot of people are VERY green - and I respect that. But I also suspect there are a number of Tesla owners who take several jet flights per year, perhaps heat/AC large homes/pools with nonrenewables, consume large amounts of products shipped from afar… > [@hajario](#): > > I highly doubt that the service people care though. MANY years ago I had heard of dealers who did not prioritize work on cars bearing the stickers from other dealers. I’d imagine that is much less of an issue these days - if it ever truly was an issue. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/139 "2025-03-13T18:19:57Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > You are the first to mention it but it’s not a bad idea. JFTR, I believe _you_ were 😉 > [@Drive a Tesla, get Seig Heils? Apparently it ain’t easy being green any more](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-seig-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/52): > > I can’t imagine that they’d care. They’d just do their job. I’d personally put any sticker on a refrigerator magnet in general before putting it on my car. I could remove it first but I wouldn’t bother. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416/140 "2025-03-13T18:20:04Z")
The Honda dealership and the attached service department near me always seemed at odds with each other. I always gave the sales guys a chance and they always tried to screw me so I’d buy the car at the next closest dealer. I never had badging so they wouldn’t know but they knew the sales side was sketchy [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drive-a-tesla-get-sieg-heils-apparently-it-ain-t-easy-being-green-any-more/1015416.md?page=8)