# Driving while high? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 18, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371 "2023-01-18T00:57:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/21 "2023-01-18T06:57:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Half the otc meds you can buy tell you not to drive if you take them. (Most cough and cold remedies). How can it be a new idea that you shouldn’t drive while stoned? It’s not that the idea is new. It’s that the prevalence of driving while impaired by drugs has been increasing. I’m just now seeing and hearing the campaign against it in media, as opposed to just warning labels on medicine. Some of the dangers are discussed here: [https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired\_driving/impaired-drv\_factsheet.html](https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html) It does seem like alcohol is still much worse than drugs when it comes to the danger it poses on the road. And statistics on the danger of drugs among drivers is lacking. It’s bad but I’m not seeing data on how bad, probably because it’s just now getting attention. But as you suggest, the danger isn’t new. Drugs other than alcohol (legal or not) have been around much longer than vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/22 "2023-01-18T09:23:47Z")
As someone who’s grown up around a lot of stoners, there are indeed people who are stoned but claim they’re not stoned just like with alcoholics who claim they’re not drunk when they’re drunk. And taking rides from people who are high definitely wasn’t the “driving 5 miles under” you see so many people claim, if you’re a shitty driver sober you’re an even shittier driver stoned. ---
**Author:** ![scareyfaerie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scareyfaerie/32/3135_2.png) [@scareyfaerie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scareyfaerie)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/23 "2023-01-18T11:07:43Z")
Whilst it may be legal to drive with only a small amount of anything in my system, I wouldn’t chance it. I don’t do drugs of any sort, and I make a decision to either drink or drive but never both. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/24 "2023-01-18T12:49:11Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > As someone who’s grown up around a lot of stoners, there are indeed people who are stoned but claim they’re not stoned just like with alcoholics who claim they’re not drunk when they’re drunk. And taking rides from people who are high definitely wasn’t the “driving 5 miles under” you see so many people claim, if you’re a shitty driver sober you’re an even shittier driver stoned. I’m not claiming there’s no risk. I’m claiming that the impact on accident rates isn’t very large. I’m in the insurance industry, and when states started to legalize cannabis, the insurance institute for highway safety (IIHS, an industry-funded research group that’s proved the benefit of airbags, automatic breaking, and many other safety features) did a bunch of studies attempting to prove it was a terrible idea, and to lobby against it. And they failed. They did eventually find some data showing a small increase in accidents in states with legal cannabis, but it took them years. It’s not a large effect. And the impact isn’t nearly as large as alcohol. Also, of course, there wasn’t a huge increase in use with legalization. Weed was easy to obtain illegally in most states when it was illegal. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/25 "2023-01-18T15:11:58Z")
Over the years I’ve been a sober passenger in a car driven by people who were drunk, high, distracted, sober. Drunk people drive pretty badly. They take unnecessary risks. It’s scary to be in the car with them. People that are high IME drive cautiously. They may be talkative or silent. They are prone to taking wrong turns. Drivers who are distracted (just fought with SO, just lost job, etc) are almost as bad as drunk drivers. They turn to say something to the passenger and don’t look back to the road as quickly as they should. They are as scary as drunk drivers. Sober people drive “normally”, where normally is normal for them. There are some really shitty sober drivers. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/26 "2023-01-18T16:59:59Z")
It is wrong of me to do so but I find that clip hysterical every time I watch it. Extinguishing the roach with the beer is the capper. Driving when impaired is wrong. I’m an old stoner who also thinks he drove “cautiously” but, no matter how slowly and carefully I thought I was driving, I was generally exercising poor judgment. ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/27 "2023-01-18T17:09:20Z")
That is one of the reasons my state is considered dropping the limit to be considered impaired to .05%. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/28 "2023-01-18T17:21:17Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > It is wrong of me to do so but I find that clip hysterical every time I watch it. Extinguishing the roach with the beer is the capper. I love the fact that this leads to The Dude finding a crucial clue in figuring out the mystery…of who stole a briefcase containing the non-money that he failed to deliver to the non-kidnappers. I believe _The Big Lebowski_ delves more deeply into the philosophy of international geopolitics than ten weighty tomes from sagacious experts retired from high office. [“Over the line!…Smokey, this is not ‘Nam. This is bowling…there are rules.”](https://youtu.be/3vB9U2hx6Qg) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/29 "2023-01-18T17:46:09Z")
I stopped driving high before I stopped driving “buzzed”. The few times I drove high scared me. I couldn’t remember if I checked my blind spot before changing lanes, if I stopped at the stop sign. My mind would wander. The buzzed driving I did back in the day was more like a mission. I need to get from point A to B on backroads with the least amount of complications. My reaction time was still messed up and it wouldn’t have been an excuse if I hurt someone, but at least I was focused. This was years ago when the BAC went from 1.5 to 1.1 to .08. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/30 "2023-01-18T19:02:11Z")
Here’s a study, released last month, which essentially find no statistically determinable impact. > **[Marijuana-Decriminalization\_Report.pdf](https://www.casact.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/Marijuana-Decriminalization_Report.pdf?utm_source=bulletin&utm_medium=lead&utm_campaign=MDR)** > > 1483.02 KB ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/31 "2023-01-22T01:43:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > In my case, yes. One beer(5%) is enough for me to feel the effects and be aware that my attention and reflexes are not as sharp as they should be. It is well-known that someone who is impaired by the effects of drugs often is not aware of the impairment, and may, in fact, erroneously believe himself to be performing at least as well as if he was sober. This always needs to be taken into account, when evaluating anyone’s claims about how safely he can drive under the influence of any mind-damaging drug. Always. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/32 "2023-01-22T16:20:12Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > Try it with something that requires fine motor skills, I learned that many years ago, sitting at the table in my house trying to build/paint a model. Precise placement with tweezers & alcohol do not mix Does driving require that level of fine motor skills? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/33 "2023-01-23T20:36:11Z")
I’m ashamed to say there was a time in my life I regularly drove while impaired by alcohol (don’t worry; I paid, big time). I drove high on weed exactly once. Scariest feckin’ thing ever. Even now, there’s plenty of things I regularly do around my house while drinking but I never attempt to do anything that requires motor control when I’m high. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/34 "2023-01-23T20:57:34Z")
NY state has put out a series of PSAs telling people that smoking pot is impaired driving and you can be arrested for DUI. > Cannabis cannot be consumed when operating a motor vehicle. > Cannabis impairs you. It is illegal and dangerous to drive > under the influence of cannabis. You can be charged with a > DUI and are subject to the same penalties as driving drunk. > The burning of cannabis by anyone in a vehicle is also illegal > under the open container law. VTL § 1227 (1). > Any driver or passenger engaged in a violation of the open > container law will be charged with a traffic infraction. > Crossing State Borders Since cannabis is illegal federally, you > cannot cross state or international borders in possession of > cannabis. It is also illegal to possess and use cannabis on > federal lands or property > mpaired driving under the influence of Cannabis continues to > be a misdemeanor under VTL § 1192. See additional > information on penalties associated with impaired driving. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/35 "2023-01-23T21:30:07Z")
The first drink? I doubt it. There’s a reason why alcohol is a banned substance in sports like archery and target shooting. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/36 "2023-01-23T23:10:17Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > I drove high on weed exactly once. Scariest feckin’ thing ever. I went to a wedding in a tiny town in the Sierras decades ago. On the morning we all left to go home, my friends and I had “a circle” before departing. I hadn’t been regularly smoking pot for a while before this so it hit me like a ton of bricks a few miles down the twisty mountain road. I stopped in the first town I came to and had a hearty breakfast that I lingered over with lots of coffee. I felt better, but not enough better, so I stopped in another small town that was only a mile or so down the road. It had a lot of antique shops, so I spent an hour or two browsing. By the time I hit the road, I felt 99% normal. But it was scary, and I was hyper aware of my impairment. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/37 "2023-01-24T00:08:45Z")
I agree. The same thing applies to people who are impaired by drugs that are, without question, legally prescribed and taken for medical reasons. My sister had some friends who had been smoking marijuana, and were pulled over while driving down the city’s freeway. One of them said, “Sorry, officer, we didn’t know we were speeding” and the officer replied, “You weren’t; I pulled you over because you were going 15mph.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/38 "2023-01-24T00:09:59Z")
So are beta-blockers, unless the person demonstrates medical need and there is no alternative, because they slow the heart rate. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/39 "2023-01-24T01:34:21Z")
I think that would get into individual idiosyncrasy here, since I’ve been taking a beta blocker (metoprolol) for several months. Gets my heart rate down to a range my doctor likes, has zero impact on my alertness, coordination, reaction speed, or any other needed function for driving. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371/40 "2023-01-24T02:10:24Z")
Yeah, I used to take a beta blocker that was supposed to suppress my migraines. It didn’t work, but it also didn’t impact my mental coherence or motor skills. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/driving-while-high/978371.md?page=3)