# DRM for coffee? Keurig 2.0 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 8, 2015, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309 "2015-08-08T11:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/21 "2015-08-10T21:49:35Z")
Just to clarify, I can’t tell the difference if coffee sits on the heating element for a period of time or if I heat cold coffee in the microwave. And it only takes about 90 seconds to nuke it to my preference. For me, coffee is just a caffeine delivery system. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/22 "2015-08-10T23:55:55Z")
If you only drink coffee to deliver caffeine, why not just buy powdered caffeine, or caffeine in pill form? Checking Amazon, for about six to eight bucks, I can buy a hundred pills that each contain the amount of caffeine in a cup of coffee (200mg). ---
**Author:** ![Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e47c2d/32.png) [@Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hershele_Ostropoler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/23 "2015-08-11T02:56:45Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > I refused to by a Keurig 2.0 when our old one died. I know there are hacks to get around their attempt at propriety cups, but the whole attitude of it hacked me off. Yeah, I use my own coffee in my OG Keurig, and it’s fine, but I’m not getting another machine from them even if they drop the DRM. It annoys me bcause they’re not even pretending it’s for the benefit of the consumer; there’s no “look at this great new advance that, what a coincidence, locks you into giving us money.” There is no stated advantage to the DRM system for anyone except Keurig. [QUOTE=Doctor Jackson] I also found a grinder that can be set to fill the resuable cup, so I can go from bean to coffee one cup at a time. [/QUOTE] Can quality grinders handle that small an amount of beans? ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/24 "2015-08-11T03:50:49Z")
> [@Hershele\_Ostropoler](#): > > Can quality grinders handle that small an amount of beans? Sure they can. A bur grinder just whirs the bur and grinds up whatever falls through from the hopper, and a blade grinder just whirs and pulverizes whatever’s inside the lid at the time. I have a manual bur, and it will just as happily do a tablespoon of beans as it will a half a cup. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/25 "2015-08-11T09:53:25Z")
I’d just like to note that my Nespresso machine is open source (although I still prefer to buy original capsules). ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/26 "2015-08-11T14:56:32Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > I refused to by a Keurig 2.0 when our old one died. I know there are hacks to get around their attempt at propriety cups, but the whole attitude of it hacked me off. I got an [iCoffee](https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=icoffee)single serve brewer that uses any K-style cup, or a resusable cup that I can put my own fresh ground coffee in. And I also found a grinder that can be set to fill the resuable cup, so I can go from bean to coffee one cup at a time. > > I likes it! I did not know about the DRM in advance, and never gave it a thought until I found that I could get [French Market K Cups](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J9R43EY/ref=sr_ph_1?m=AENCSWK3229O&ie=UTF8&qid=1439304909&sr=sr-1&keywords=french+market+k+cups) These are not sold by keurig and brought the DRM issue to my attention ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/27 "2015-08-11T17:14:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > … > Seriously, the entire concept of brewing coffee one serving at a time is just alien to me. I’m not a coffee drinker at all, but to me it makes perfect sense. I gather coffee does not improve on standing in the coffeemaker, so the idea of a freshly-brewed cup whenever you want one sounds pretty reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/28 "2015-08-11T20:15:08Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Seriously, the entire concept of brewing coffee one serving at a time is just alien to me. I like bold coffees, my wife prefers a smoother blend and my daughter drinks hot tea and hot chocolate. With the single serve everyone is happy and there is _much_ less waste. That’s my justification. The pod people theory may hold (hot) water for others. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/29 "2015-08-12T00:27:29Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Seriously, the entire concept of brewing coffee one serving at a time is just alien to me. I could totally be the “before” person in the klutzy grainy footage of the Keurig “but wait!” 19.99 commercial. "Don’t you hate it when you don’t get the ratio of water to coffee grounds right and your coffee tastes like swill?!: WAA-WAAAA… IOW I love my Keurig at home and I love that we have it at work. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/30 "2015-08-12T12:30:38Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > I could totally be the “before” person in the klutzy grainy footage of the Keurig “but wait!” 19.99 commercial. "Don’t you hate it when you don’t get the ratio of water to coffee grounds right and your coffee tastes like swill?!: WAA-WAAAA… I’m pretty sure that’s got a mandatory “Thanks, Obama” these days. My experience is that if you really only want one cup or so a day, a Keurig isn’t a bad option. If you are willing to spend a little time and pack your own cup with grounds, then it’s both even cheaper and environmentally friendly. It’s the people that use the things half a dozen times a day that I don’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/31 "2015-08-12T13:53:39Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’d just like to note that my Nespresso machine is open source (although I still prefer to buy original capsules). My wife and I fell _in love_ with my brother’s Nespresso machine when we visited him in the UK last year. That’s not hyperbole. We might have spent a full hour standing in the kitchen cooing at it. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/32 "2015-08-12T14:02:27Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Nah. You only need to call if it _stays_ hot for _over_ 4 hours. If that happens, it’s best to call the [AEC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Atomic_Energy_Commission). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Vorlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@The\_Vorlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Vorlon)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/33 "2015-08-12T21:29:08Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > If that happens, it’s best to call the [AEC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Atomic_Energy_Commission). Someone needs coffee, see post 15… ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/34 "2015-08-12T22:21:42Z")
> [@Hershele\_Ostropoler](#): > > It annoys me bcause they’re not even pretending it’s for the benefit of the consumer; there’s no “look at this great new advance that, what a coincidence, locks you into giving us money.” There is no stated advantage to the DRM system for anyone except Keurig. No link right now because I’m on my phone and I can’t be bothered to look, but when they rolled it out and started defending it, I remember Keurig used the marketing angle that this was the only way to control the quality of the coffee coming from their machines. I mean who knows what these fly-by-night K cup manufacturers are putting in there? Dirt? Glass? Methamphetamine? Total bullshit but there was a stated advantage for the consumer. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/35 "2015-08-12T22:30:12Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > If you only drink coffee to deliver caffeine, why not just buy powdered caffeine, or caffeine in pill form? Checking Amazon, for about six to eight bucks, I can buy a hundred pills that each contain the amount of caffeine in a cup of coffee (200mg). Because coffee tastes better than pills or powder. I’m not saying caffeine is the only reason to drink coffee. I do like the taste with a little sugar and creamer and it goes down better with breakfast than a pill. But it’s not worth the effort to me to grind my own beans or brew a fresh cup every time. I’m just lazy that way, especially first thing in the morning. Making a pot and then nuking it in the microwave is good enough for me. And my Mr. Coffee doesn’t have DRM. Any kind of filters and any brand of coffee works in it. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/36 "2015-08-12T22:33:22Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > No link right now because I’m on my phone and I can’t be bothered to look, but when they rolled it out and started defending it, I remember Keurig used the marketing angle that this was the only way to control the quality of the coffee coming from their machines. I mean who knows what these fly-by-night K cup manufacturers are putting in there? Dirt? Glass? Methamphetamine? > > Total bullshit but there was a stated advantage for the consumer. Their patent was running out and they needed to do something fast, so sort of a panic. This all from a company that built it’s consumer market from ‘at work’ pilfering of coffee cups by employees. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/37 "2015-08-13T12:22:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > My wife and I fell _in love_ with my brother’s Nespresso machine when we visited him in the UK last year. That’s not hyperbole. We might have spent a full hour standing in the kitchen cooing at it. There’s something about it, isn’t there? It’s my most beloved appliance. ---
**Author:** ![Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e47c2d/32.png) [@Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hershele_Ostropoler)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/38 "2015-08-15T00:21:48Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > No link right now because I’m on my phone and I can’t be bothered to look, but when they rolled it out and started defending it, I remember Keurig used the marketing angle that this was the only way to control the quality of the coffee coming from their machines. I have no recollection of that. It may have been such obvious bullshit that the defense never came to my attention. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/39 "2015-08-22T00:26:42Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > It all starts with hacking K-cups. Pretty soon, you’ll be illegally downloading music and video and from there it’s a very short leap to injecting heroin, rape, and murder. Okay, heroin I get, even if I’d never use it myself, but why would anyone inject rape or murder? ---
**Author:** ![Braddock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Braddock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Braddock)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309/40 "2016-10-07T15:52:04Z")
I had a Keurig 2.0 for 2 weeks and took it back to the store after finding an [alternative](https://www.dripjoy.com/). These guys built their own machine to compete with Keurig. It comes with the coffee and is guaranteed. Their coffee is amazing. I had some at an event in Denver, it’s way better than Keurig and they don’t lock you out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drm-for-coffee-keurig-2-0/727309.md?page=3)