# DrMark2000 banned!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [April 13, 2006, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578 "2006-04-13T21:15:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/181 "2006-04-14T12:33:46Z")
A certain cartoon penguin and I were out at the shooting range the other day. Noticing that my firearm was absolutely shredding the targets (crotch, chest, head, RIP), the little fellow asked what I was using. My reply?
“Magnum, Opus.”
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### Author:  [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/182 "2006-04-14T13:29:37Z")
Bad, **NoClueBoy** , very bad.
I think what people are missing is that the [Mr. Rogers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=367247) thread was the beginning of **drmark2000** ’s The One. Using [Babel Fish](http://babelfish.altavista.com/), I translated his OP into German and back into English. Why German? Two reason. First, his username contains _mark_, obviously a reference to the currency. Second, his claim to be a clinical psychologist ties him in some way to Freud. Here’s what I came up with:
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> I educate Mr. Rogers holes!
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> Forwards I happened to soil it a surface in Laguardia more than 20 years taking out. Let me a Erguss of such love and inclination by so many toward to a person never see. He touched it all excellently, with reactivity and Dekorum. I came away from the sight with one, which was thought in the understanding: They do not take on Mr. Rogers.
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> I go so here: Chaps, will it let it it for a pair Bermudashorts to measure have? (if the answer “an unmistakable is,” reports you then the next safe-deposit box area for an urgently needed punchdown).
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> Gallons, will it let it alone with your kids have?
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> Granted, the man led a long career as celebrity of kind without even the weakest tip of the scandal.
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> But it never took so much soil, as he (superficially) covered in his career, on a topic: Masturbation.
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> They know that he did them. He`s now absolutely, but it were a human nature, after all. It pulled certainly the magic more twanger more than once. It polished its own crash helmet, as if and wholesomely uninteresting woman doughy enthaeutete its immediately was missing. All we know that it. So why did it never address this topic in its appearance?
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> People do it the whole time! It is important to them! Why would`ve Mr. Rogers, loved of us everything, decrease to this most important topic?
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> Straight one surprising.
He certainly did “educate Mr. Rogers holes!” Straight one surprising, indeed.
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### Author:  [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/183 "2006-04-14T14:01:05Z")
**JeffB** , clearly you are a differently able genius. 😃
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### Author:  [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/184 "2006-04-14T14:27:45Z")
I’m sorry I missed that whole Mr. Rodgers thread. I knew the man (we lived in the same, well, neighborhood for awhile when I was younger), and would have had quite a lot of vitriol for the OP. But that’s exactly what the jackass was looking for, wasn’t it?
**catsix** just a question, because I’m apparently missing something here: if you are really so disappointed with the quality of this place, why do you pay to stick around? You say you’ve seen it through from free to pay, and as I read your post, you’ve seen nothing good in both versions. Is it really worth it to you to pay money to be continually pissed off?
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/185 "2006-04-14T15:03:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> \*\*You confuse assholiness with holiness. \*\*
> [@Tengu](#):
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> Beautiful line, this. May I steal?
Go ahead **Tengu**.
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### Author:  [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/186 "2006-04-14T15:49:08Z")
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> **Sean Factotum** said:
> catsix just a question, because I’m apparently missing something here: if you are really so disappointed with the quality of this place, why do you pay to stick around? You say you’ve seen it through from free to pay, and as I read your post, you’ve seen nothing good in both versions. Is it really worth it to you to pay money to be continually pissed off?
Being disappointed in a staff that has a history of making promises they don’t keep is hardly the same as seeing ‘nothing good in both versions’.
Certain things here are worth the admission price. If they weren’t, I wouldn’t pay it.
I don’t think that’s in any way inconsistent with pointing out that certain other things are disappointing, such as a history of staff promises regarding new goodies and then a later denial that any such promises were ever made.
There’s nothing wrong in trying to make something better, is there?
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/187 "2006-04-14T16:02:17Z")
> [@catsix](#):
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> Being disappointed in a staff that has a history of making promises they don’t keep is hardly the same as seeing ‘nothing good in both versions’.
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> Certain things here are worth the admission price. If they weren’t, I wouldn’t pay it.
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> I don’t think that’s in any way inconsistent with pointing out that certain other things are disappointing, such as a history of staff promises regarding new goodies and then a later denial that any such promises were ever made.
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> There’s nothing wrong in trying to make something better, is there?
If what \*\*catsix \*\* is saying has been true in the past, then it is fair for her to bring it up. I can’t prove or Disprove her claims, I haven’t been around long enough. I like the board fine without promised improvements {though less time outs would be welcomed}.
\*\*catsix \*\* shouldn’t be challenged just for challenging **TubaDiva** , she should be challenged if what she said, doesn’t have merit.
So Come on Charter Members and 99’ers, is \*\*catsix \*\* basically right or is she wrong on her points?
Jim {I hope this doesn’t put me on Tuba’s bad side, I am afraid of jackboots, just hoping for clarification}
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### Author:  [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/188 "2006-04-14T16:14:58Z")
> [@catsix](#):
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> I’ve heard this song before. Year after year we’ve been told about the cool stuff that’s coming. Can you possibly name one thing that was ever actually delivered?
We’ve actually had quite a few things over the years. We started out with a very puny server that has been upgraded and then replaced, that’s happened several times. That growth has always outpaced the server (even with big upgrades), a measure perhaps of our success that we’ve not been able to stay ahead of demand.
We’ve gone from software that was totally inadequate for our needs to something that works nominally better . . . and that we hope is even more effective in the future.
We’ve told the membership of these things as they happened . . .and they did happen. Not always as swiftly as we might have liked, but all has come to pass.
> [@catsix](#):
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> Well you are good at revealing some things, but I dunno, there’ve been these statements about cool new stuff coming since what,
> April of 2004 and I’m having trouble pointing to one concrete item that actually fits into the ‘cool new stuff’ category.
We haven’t had an upgrade since then either, at the very least, we’ve been hobbling along on what we have.
> [@catsix](#):
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> You mean like the last time statements like that came from the administration around here, when we went pay-to-post and then suddenly the story was ‘no promises were ever made and we never said that paying would get you anything.’
Paying got us survival; we’re still here. We never said it would be otherwise. To say so is at the least a misconception on your part . . . and perhaps even a deliberate lie, but let’s give you the benefit of the doubt here.
> [@catsix](#):
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> Then you can be specific about a past prediction that resulted in some sort of benefit to the members?
See above.
> [@catsix](#):
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> You’re right. The more sensible conclusion would be to think back to all the times before that the mods or admins have mentioned ‘cool new stuff’ and then remember their statements when asked about it later: ‘We never promised you anything.’
Another misconception, though “deliberate lie” is looking more and more probable.
> [@catsix](#):
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> I can’t wait to hear the ‘We never promised you anything’ again!
There’s much I’d like to promise you for your dishonest words and your overall nasty ways. I promise you I’ll try to overlook all that.
TubaDiva
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### Author:  [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/189 "2006-04-14T16:18:59Z")
> [@Aeschines](#):
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> Cecil is dying on the cross.
And your theory is dying on the vine.
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### Author:  [@the\_only\_bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_only_bunny)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/190 "2006-04-14T16:29:45Z")
But Cecil will be back Sunday…
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/191 "2006-04-14T16:35:45Z")
From Ed’s 2 year old [The SDMB is switching to paid subscriptions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=253315) thread:
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> What does a subscription get me?
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> ```
> * Posting privileges for one year.
> * Post count (i.e., number of messages you've posted to date appears with your username)
> * Ability to search the massive SDMB message database
> * Ability to view member profiles
> * Biographical info included with each post (optional)
> ***Other cool stuff that we throw in later, possibly including private messaging, SDMB calendar, custom signatures, and "who's online" feature.**
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> ```
My bolding. Mind you, I don’t really care about any of those features but the reneging sure adds to the used car salesman aura that the managment projects.
On preview, I see that Tuba thinks that ain’t a promise. In fact, accuses catsix of lying. Un-fucking-believable.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/192 "2006-04-14T16:43:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> From Ed’s 2 year old [The SDMB is switching to paid subscriptions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=253315) thread:
> My bolding. Mind you, I don’t really care about any of those features but the reneging sure adds to the used car salesman aura that the managment projects.
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> On preview, I see that Tuba thinks that ain’t a promise. In fact, accuses catsix of lying. Un-fucking-believable.
What part of “possibly” isn’t clear to you?
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/193 "2006-04-14T16:51:00Z")
Read a little slower there, Miller, it makes for more effective cheerleading. See where the word “possibly” is in that sentence? That means that the components of list aren’t promised but the entire sentence implies that some sort of “cool new stuff” is coming. In fact Ed’s announcement is very similar to Tuba’s promise of secret goodies to come that catsix called her on.
Now, why don’t you STFU and let Tuba do her own offended squirming. That’s what she gets the modest stipend for.
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/194 "2006-04-14T17:03:28Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#):
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> Paying got us survival; we’re still here. We never said it would be otherwise. To say so is at the least a misconception on your part . . . and perhaps even a deliberate lie, but let’s give you the benefit of the doubt here.
compare and constrast to the official ‘we’re moving to a pay to post’ thread, with Ed’s comments as quoted by **CarnalK**. I would say that one would have to have a rather convulted interpretation of " Other cool stuff that we throw in later" to claim that 'paying got us survival; we’re still here. We never said it would be otherwise".
My half recollection was that, ‘yea, they said we’d get to post, have charter member, search, have post counts show, but did promise “other stuff down the road”’ but didn’t feel like searching.
now, I’ve never been a particular friend to **catsix** , as I’m sure she’d be able to confirm, and I"m generally supportive of mod actions (with a very few exceptions), I’ve already re-signed up, am on the record as generally abhoring these 'oh, I"m leaving" types of threads, had absolutely no problem w/ **drmark** being banned, but:
I think **Tuba** owe’s **catsix** an appology for this statement and the not so veiled ‘you may be lying’ comments.
It seems clear to me from the linked thread that yes, unequivocably, **yes** , “other stuff” **was** in fact promised two years ago. hasn’t happened. So, it was not a ‘misconception’ on her part, nor a deliberate lie. **Tuba** may have forgotten that thread, but it certainly was there.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/195 "2006-04-14T17:44:16Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> Read a little slower there, Miller, it makes for more effective cheerleading. See where the word “possibly” is in that sentence? That means that the components of list aren’t promised but the entire sentence implies that some sort of “cool new stuff” is coming. In fact Ed’s announcement is very similar to Tuba’s promise of secret goodies to come that catsix called her on.
And, since that post, have there been absolutely no changes to the feature list of the SDMB? There’s that quick reply window that’s been added, although I don’t think I’ve ever used it, myself. I don’t know if that counts as “cool,” but then, I don’t really see the need for any of the promised features. Apparently, you and **catsix** are all broken up about not having a calendar. Here’s a tip, though: there’s one built right into your operating system!
But hey, let’s get down to brass tacks, here. You and **catsix** aren’t half as interested in “cool new features” as you are at the opportunity to bitch and whine about some facet of the boards, no matter how inconsequential and picayune. Presonally, I don’t really get it. Paying fifteen bucks a year to squall like a five year seems like a poor use of financial resources, but if that’s what you need to get your rocks off, more power to you, I guess.
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/196 "2006-04-14T17:49:53Z")
**Miller** - yea, the preview window is ‘new’. I don’t know that one item qualifies as “stuff”. and I’m not in the general category of ‘bitching about the mods’. but **catsix** made a fair statement, and **Tuba** all but called her a liar.
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### Author:  [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/197 "2006-04-14T17:59:35Z")
> [@wring](#):
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> **Miller** - yea, the preview window is ‘new’. I don’t know that one item qualifies as “stuff”. and I’m not in the general category of ‘bitching about the mods’. but **catsix** made a fair statement, and **Tuba** all but called her a liar.
Unless Miller & yourself subscribe to the “everything old is new again” credo, the [QuickReply box](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=299375) was a feature recyled from [April 2002](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=110619).
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/198 "2006-04-14T18:00:26Z")
Seems like a reasonably apt description to me. **catsix** mentioned multiple times “new stuff” has been promised. **CarnalK** rolls up with a post in which 90% of the offered stuff was delivered, and a few maybes that never came to fruition, and thinks this is some sort of validation of **catsix** ’s usual bleating. I’m personally willing to accept that **catsix** simply doesn’t know what the fuck she was talking about, but I can’t blame **Tuba** for coming to a different conclusion.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/199 "2006-04-14T18:05:47Z")
I thought the Quick reply was down there before P2P, though I know they just changed how to activate it. It is pretty hard to call “cool” now that you ask.
I’m not squalling about anything. I just pointed out a spot where catsix could have formed her impression of a promise. I also said I agree that it looks like shit was promised. Simple as that. I said right off I don’t really care about add-ons. I have no plans on protesting if my personal messaging isn’t enabled stat!
Miller, you’re the one who decided to be a dick and pretend I didn’t understand Ed’s announcement. Tuba is the one that called catsix a liar. Quit thinking you’re on the righteous and oh so mature side of this bit.
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### Author:  [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drmark2000-banned/352578/200 "2006-04-14T18:06:58Z")
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> **TubaDiva** said:
> We never said it would be otherwise. To say so is at the least a misconception on your part . . . and perhaps even a deliberate lie, but let’s give you the benefit of the doubt here.
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> **CarnalK quoting Ed:**
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> - Other cool stuff that we throw in later, possibly including private messaging, SDMB calendar, custom signatures, and “who’s online” feature.
Since it doesn’t say ‘Possibly other cool stuff that we throw in later,’ it seems pretty clear that there will be cool new stuff, the exact nature of which not specified.
I think calling me a liar was a little out of bounds. Deliberate lie my glowing white ass!
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> **CarnalK** said:
> In fact, accuses catsix of lying. Un-fucking-believable.
Isn’t it?
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> **CarnalK** said:
> In fact Ed’s announcement is very similar to Tuba’s promise of secret goodies to come that catsix called her on.
Which is why I pointed out what I did. I have heard a very similar statement before, and nothing came of it.
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> **wring** said:
> now, I’ve never been a particular friend to catsix, as I’m sure she’d be able to confirm,
We have certainly had our very heated arguments in the past.
I would like you to know that I hold nothing against you and actually like you just fine.
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> **wring** said:
> Tuba may have forgotten that thread, but it certainly was there.
And if she forgot, she forgot, but that’s no reason to say that I’m deliberately lying or veiling a threat by saying she’ll ‘try to overlook’ the things she’d like to promise me for my ‘nasty ways.’ Sounds to me like my head’s on the chopping block for pointing this out.
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> **Miller** said:
> Seems like a reasonably apt description to me. catsix mentioned multiple times “new stuff” has been promised. CarnalK rolls up with a post in which 90% of the offered stuff was delivered,
Which of that stuff was new?
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