# Drop Biden from the ticket **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 19, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536 "2012-11-19T20:25:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/21 "2012-11-20T06:38:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Regardless, we went through all of this with Bush and Cheney eight years ago, and not only did Cheney not quit, I’ve never heard of anyone trying to make him leave. That’s because anyone who’s tried has never been heard from again. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/22 "2012-11-20T08:51:19Z")
He can’t quit. He’s Biden his time before he gets to run for President. He might be Biden off more than he can chew with that job, but I’m pretty sure that’s his plan. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/23 "2012-11-20T09:03:14Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > He can’t quit. He’s Biden his time before he gets to run for President. > > He might be Biden off more than he can chew with that job, but I’m pretty sure that’s his plan. What are his plans for the next election? I’m sure we’ll know Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/24 "2012-11-20T12:45:53Z")
If Biden quit for any reason, why wouldn’t Boehner move up? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/25 "2012-11-20T12:50:52Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > If Biden quit for any reason, why wouldn’t Boehner move up? That only works for the presidency. Recall when Ford ascended to the presidency and left a vacancy, he chose Rockefeller to fill it, not the Speaker. ---
**Author:** ![JLRogers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@JLRogers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JLRogers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/26 "2012-11-20T12:57:15Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Plus, he will have stuck his foot in his mouth about a gazillion times between now and the beginning of the campaign in two years. I’ve never understood how Joe’s unwillingness to mince words and play it safe somehow means he is a gaffe-machine. I mean sure, if you watch Fox News they portray him as both an existential threat to the nation and a mouthbreathing nitwit who can’t open his mouth without swallowing his size twelves up to the knee. Those of us who listen to his speeches in their entirety and in context perceive neither. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/27 "2012-11-20T13:11:44Z")
> [@JLRogers](#): > > I’ve never understood how Joe’s unwillingness to mince words and play it safe somehow means he is a gaffe-machine. > > I mean sure, if you watch Fox News they portray him as both an existential threat to the nation and a mouthbreathing nitwit who can’t open his mouth without swallowing his size twelves up to the knee. Those of us who listen to his speeches in their entirety and in context perceive neither. I actually like Biden and I think the people who keep nit-picking gaffs are desperate for something to point at. He has always come off as a reasoned person who draws a distinction between his personal beliefs and his job governing. I would trust him as POTUS, but I doubt that he’ll run. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/28 "2012-11-20T13:17:57Z")
Joe is a great public servant. He never forgot his roots, taking the train in from Delaware to work in the Senate each day. He’s a true friend to the working man and sincerely has their best interests at heart. His intelligence and political savvy are vastly underrated. He’s the guy that we’re going to look back on in 20 years and wonder why he never got to be president. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/29 "2012-11-20T13:24:03Z")
If this would be too abrupt, then how about taking guys like Castro and assigning them to run things in areas they’re weak on? Obviously, you wouldn’t sell it like that, but instead “he’s a great manager, and we need a fresh perspective here, and he’ll be working with Soandso, an experienced hand in the Middle East, in Nato, in Latin America bbbyyy…” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/30 "2012-11-20T14:29:29Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > If Biden quit for any reason, why wouldn’t Boehner move up? Because of the [25th Amendment.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#Succession_and_the_Twenty-Fifth_Amendment) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/31 "2012-11-20T14:33:04Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > the 73-year-old Biden will retire in 2016. Anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional. That would seem to include Biden himself, then. When he left the polls on Election Day, he was asked if that was the last time he’d ever get to vote for himself. His answer: “No, probably not.” Regardless, he still doesn’t have much of a national support base, not having been closely tied to any particular Obama Administration efforts. The Dem bench is pretty deep with more-attractive options, too. He may well run, but if he’s counting on being the heir apparent based on his title, he’s going to be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/32 "2012-11-20T14:42:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That would seem to include Biden himself, then. When he left the polls on Election Day, he was asked if that was the last time he’d ever get to vote for himself. His answer: “No, probably not.” I think he went on to say that he’s considering a run for city council. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/33 "2012-11-20T15:02:17Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I think he went on to say that he’s considering a run for city council. 🙂 Biden/Knope '16! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/34 "2012-11-20T16:13:04Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I think he went on to say that he’s considering a run for city council. Step 1: Delaware needs a city. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/35 "2012-11-20T16:24:46Z")
> [@JLRogers](#): > > I’ve never understood how Joe’s unwillingness to mince words and play it safe somehow means he is a gaffe-machine. Remember what he said about his future boss in the primaries? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/36 "2012-11-20T17:11:19Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > he’ll be working with Soandso, an experienced hand in the Middle East, in Nato, in Latin America bbbyyy…" Isn’t Soandso Ugandan? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/37 "2012-11-20T17:33:41Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > If this would be too abrupt, then how about taking guys like Castro and assigning them to run things in areas they’re weak on? Obviously, you wouldn’t sell it like that, but instead “he’s a great manager, and we need a fresh perspective here, and he’ll be working with Soandso, an experienced hand in the Middle East, in Nato, in Latin America bbbyyy…” Why not let Castro continue to serve the people of San Antonio as Mayor? His identical twin was just elected to the House; he’s got a job, too. Why not let these young men build their experience & help Texas Democrats at the same time–rather than fill make-work appointments in DC? Ted Cruz (a Cuban-American) is our new Senator; he beat Ricky Perry’s guy in the Republican primary by being More Teapartier Than Thou, which is a big joke on Ricky Boy. (Reportedly Cruz also had the Bush family behind him; they never liked Perry.) From [The New Yorker](http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/19/121119fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all): > [@](#): > > “If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” he said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse. > > “In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’ ” The Cruz brothers (& all Texas Democrats) have work to do _here_. Not that they will drop out of sight on the national stage… ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/38 "2012-11-20T17:50:59Z")
I like the grooming idea, but the office is wrong. U.S. Secretary of State is the high-profile appointment the young 2016 nominee needs. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/39 "2012-11-21T04:16:11Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > I like the grooming idea Let’s face it, if it was just grooming, Romney would have won. The man has great hair. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536/40 "2012-11-25T16:08:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What are his plans for the next election? I’m sure we’ll know Biden. Yeh, we’ll all find out in the sweet Biden by. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drop-biden-from-the-ticket/641536.md?page=3)