# Drunken fucktard soldier kills endangered tiger at Baghdad zoo.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 20, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848 "2003-09-20T21:15:24Z")
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/181 "2003-09-23T00:35:57Z")
Hrmmm. It appears I _might_ be [wrong.](http://www.samliquidation.com/sec20c.htm)
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> …George Bush Sr. a noted member of the Bohemian Club, where the Manhatten Project was born. This Club is a Druid Worship circle laced with Satanc activity…
I suppose GW could also be a Satan-laced Druid, which would make the US Army ‘run by druids’.
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### Author:  [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/182 "2003-09-23T00:39:32Z")
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> Lately I am becoming quite impatient with the fucktards who, instead of addressing the topic of the thread, choose to disrupt it by nitpicking some stupid little point which has no bearing on the substance of what is being discussed. They make a PITA of themselves until the thread becomes a trainwreck or until it is abandoned in disgust by those with something intelligent to contribute. Half of the posts in this thread are related, not to the OP, but to a couple of fucktards who have decided to do their best to hijack the thread. May they be fucked by rabid tigers with stinking breath. It is the sign of someone who has nothing to add and just wants to make a nuisance of himself. I wish they would choose other ways of passing their time.
Thanks?! I already gave in and quit nitpicking. Read a little further.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/183 "2003-09-23T00:55:12Z")
[http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030920.wmaul0920/BNStory/International/?query=tiger](http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030920.wmaul0920/BNStory/International/?query=tiger)
Here is some more information that for some reason didn’t quite make it into the OP.
“The tiger tore off one of the soldier’s fingers and mauled his arm. Another soldier immediately fired at the animal and killed it, Mr. Salman Musa told AFP.”
The use of the word **immediately** indicates that the shooting was a quick reaction to his buddy being mauled by a tiger. It’s not like it was a revenge killing, or even some attempt at playing zookeeper by putting a “dangerous” animal down, but rather an immediate (dare I say rational) reaction to a potentially life-threatening situation.
And this:
“The soldiers arrived in the evening with food and beer, accompanied by a group of Iraqi police officers,” Adel Salman Musa said."
Neither the OP nor anybody else IIRC even mentioned this aspect. Shouldn’t the Iraqi police officers be held accountable for this incident as well? They would presumably have an even greater vested interest in the Baghdad Zoo than the soldiers. So what were they doing hanging out with the partying soldiers?
Instead, we get slagging on the soldiers, up to, and including, a wish for the soldier’s death. And unsurprisingly, some used the opportunity to slag President Bush as CIC, which is just nuts. I’m sure there were questionable acts committed by individual US soldiers between 1993 and 2001, but I honestly don’t recall anyone here blaming CIC Clinton for them.
You know what? I’m sorry about the tiger, but to blow this up way out of proportion to try and make the same, old, tired, political points was what set me off.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/184 "2003-09-23T01:16:28Z")
The Iraqi police officers were probably afraid that they would get shot [next.](http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.asp?id=5D9B36C4-48B0-4539-9C74-524BDBB68F50)
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### Author:  [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/185 "2003-09-23T01:26:50Z")
I just thought I’d pop in real quick to mention that **Brutus** ’s little crap-nugget of calling people who oppose this war “Friends of Saddam” is about the most offensive thing I’ve heard so far.
Is there any limit to this fuckhead’s cockholedness?
Listen, Coulter-boy, we love this country every bit as much as you do, and probably more since we don’t accuse holders of dissenting opinions of being traitors. Loving America means loving it’s citizens and their right criticize the government.
I wouldn’t dream of stifiling your opinions just so you know that you sound like a whining little douchbag with that bullshit of yours.
Sincerely,
Fuck you.
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/186 "2003-09-23T01:39:46Z")
Even that notorious moron [Blix](http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1064142126875&call_pageid=968332188492) agrees that the protesters played a role in encouraging Saddam. If you don’t like the appellation, you shouldn’t have been showing support for Saddam. It is just that simple.
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### Author:  [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/187 "2003-09-23T01:39:52Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \*
> \*\*I just thought I’d pop in real quick to mention that **Brutus** ’s little crap-nugget of calling people who oppose this war “Friends of Saddam” is about the most offensive thing I’ve heard so far.
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> Is there any limit to this fuckhead’s cockholedness?
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> Listen, Coulter-boy, we love this country every bit as much as you do, and probably more since we don’t accuse holders of dissenting opinions of being traitors. Loving America means loving it’s citizens and their right criticize the government.
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> I wouldn’t dream of stifiling your opinions just so you know that you sound like a whining little douchbag with that bullshit of yours.
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> Sincerely,
> Fuck you. \*\*
I agree with you, **Jack** , and plenty of others probably do to.
I think the reason no-one responded is that **Brutus** is so predictably ignorant that he’s not worth paying any attention to.
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### Author:  [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/188 "2003-09-23T01:40:16Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \*
> \*\*I just thought I’d pop in real quick to mention that **Brutus** ’s little crap-nugget of calling people who oppose this war “Friends of Saddam” is about the most offensive thing I’ve heard so far.
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> Is there any limit to this fuckhead’s cockholedness?
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> Listen, Coulter-boy, we love this country every bit as much as you do, and probably more since we don’t accuse holders of dissenting opinions of being traitors. Loving America means loving it’s citizens and their right criticize the government.
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> I wouldn’t dream of stifiling your opinions just so you know that you sound like a whining little douchbag with that bullshit of yours.
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> Sincerely,
> Fuck you. \*\*
I agree with you, **Jack** , and plenty of others probably do too.
I think the reason no-one responded is that **Brutus** is so predictably ignorant that he’s not worth paying any attention to.
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### Author:  [@dakravel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dakravel)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/189 "2003-09-23T01:54:11Z")
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> The use of the word immediately indicates that the shooting was a quick reaction to his buddy being mauled by a tiger. It’s not like it was a revenge killing, or even some attempt at playing zookeeper by putting a “dangerous” animal down, but rather an immediate (dare I say rational) reaction to a potentially life-threatening situation.
Did you forget the animal was behind bars? It’s not as though the tiger would have chased after him and killed him. The man broke his way in to the keeper’s cage, then put his hand through the bars in a foolish attempt to feed a captive tiger, which are not exactly known for their friendliness to keepers, let alone complete strangers.
So, the man puts his hand through the bars, tiger bites off his fingers, mauls his arm. But, unless the tiger was still holding on to his arm, there was absolutey NO FUCKING NEED to shoot the tiger.
The man agitated a caged animal, and paid the consequences, any and everything that happened to the first man was **entirely** his fault.
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### Author:  [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/190 "2003-09-23T02:10:10Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Brutus \*
> \*\*If you don’t like the appellation, you shouldn’t have been showing support for Saddam. \*\*
I’ll try to explain this to you once, you blithering ignoramous.
I did not support our country unilaterally invading Iraq. I did support (or rather would have supported) a multinational force sanctioned by the body we put together to decide these things, invading Iraq and taking down Saddam.
Just for clarity … \*\*I never supported Saddam – I never thought Saddam’s regime was a good thing \*\*.
Was that big enough and in English enough for you to fucking understand?
I don’t give a rat’s ass what you, Hans Blix, Ann Coulter or some moron in Bali thinks. I never supported Saddam Hussein in anything. You’re incessant insistance that my dissent is support for a madman is nothing short of amazingly idiotic.
So again, I say … fuck you. You cockhole.
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### Author:  [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/191 "2003-09-23T02:40:11Z")
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> Instead, we get slagging on the soldiers, up to, and including, a wish for the soldier’s death. And unsurprisingly, some used the opportunity to slag President Bush as CIC, which is just nuts.
Hmm, good idea. Psst, Kitty – go for the nuts.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/192 "2003-09-23T03:11:07Z")
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> \*Originally posted by dakravel \*
> **But, unless the tiger was still holding on to his arm, there was absolutey NO FUCKING NEED to shoot the tiger.**
But we don’t have verifiable evidence either way. The OP assumed the worst about the soldiers in question, and I did not. If the second soldier shot the tiger immediately, I can logically believe that the first soldier was still under imminent harm, or at the very least, that the second soldier thought his buddy was. Either way, the vitriol against the soldiers is uncalled for. Wishing death upon one or more of the soldiers is beyond the pale.
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/193 "2003-09-23T03:20:34Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \*
> **I did not support our country unilaterally invading Iraq…**
Well, the first half of that statement is certainly true.
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> …I did support (or rather would have supported) a multinational force sanctioned by the body we put together to decide these things, invading Iraq and taking down Saddam.\*\*
Since the United States did not go in alone, thus proving as false any claims of ‘unilateralism’, and since the UN recognizes the US and UK as the official ‘authorities’ in Iraq (_de facto_ ‘legitimatization’ by that illegitimate body), I can assume you lend your full support to the action that did actually take place?
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> I don’t give a rat’s ass what you, Hans Blix, Ann Coulter or some moron in Bali thinks. I never supported Saddam Hussein in anything. You’re incessant insistance that my dissent is support for a madman is nothing short of amazingly idiotic.\*\*
You and your ilk didn’t support Saddam because you love Saddam. You supported Saddam because that course of action that you percieved would oppose G.W.Bush, a man that the Left has an incredibly blinding hatred for.
You claim to have not supported Saddam. What would have you done differently if you _did_ support Saddam? Nothing. A distinction without a difference.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/194 "2003-09-23T03:33:32Z")
DNFTT
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### Author:  [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/195 "2003-09-23T04:57:58Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Brutus \*
> **Blah blah blah Bush’s cock is so nummy! If you disagree, you’re a terrorist and a Friend of Saddam**
How about when, the day before the impeachment hearings started, Clinton lobbed some missiles at Iraq. Did you support that? Let’s hope so, otherwise you’re a Friend of Saddam, and I don’t think you’ve paid your dues recently…
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### Author:  [@dakravel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dakravel)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/196 "2003-09-23T06:35:21Z")
Good advice Diogenes 😛 Let’s just let this die.
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### Author:  [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/197 "2003-09-23T07:56:13Z")
Couple of points, guys.[ul][li]No falsely attributed quotes. **quixotic78** , that means you, too.No troll-calling. That would include you, **Diogenes**.[/ul][/li]Furthermore, **Brutus** , you’re stepping _extremely_ close to the trolling line with your stupid “Oppose Bush = Love Saddam” game. You’re a fucking idiot if you truly believe it, and a fucking troll if you don’t. Either way: it would be advisable to tone it the fuck down just about now. Either debate like a grown-up, or prepare to be shown the door. Same goes for your little “de facto legitimization” stunt up there. No sane person would say that unless they’ve been under a rock for the past 2 years, so knock it off.
**milroyj** cracks me up, too. But since absolute stupidity isn’t a bannable offence (yet), I can’t warn him for it.
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### Author:  [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/198 "2003-09-23T09:30:28Z")
**Brutus** , please quote here the passage in your cited interview where Blix “agrees that the protesters played a role in encouraging Saddam”.
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/199 "2003-09-23T10:21:55Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jjimm \*
> \*\ ***Brutus** , please quote here the passage in your cited interview where Blix “agrees that the protesters played a role in encouraging Saddam”. \*\*
I wouldn’t want you to have to read the provided cite, so here you go:
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> …So at the end, I think there must have been some poor calculation of the risk of the brinkmanship, that maybe they said, ‘well, people are marching in the millions around the world on 3rd Ave. and 2nd Ave. and in London and Washington, and the French and the Germans and the Russians are against war, and they will not pull it off.’ And Saddam had several times before in his life managed to slip off with brinkmanship…
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### Author:  [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2003, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/200 "2003-09-23T10:34:27Z")
I did indeed read that, several times, and that is not what you appeared to mean. In the light of your previous posts, what you meant was not encouraging “brinkmanship” as Blix said, but “encouraging Saddam” in his tyrrany of murder, torture, etc.
You old spinmeister.
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