# Drunken fucktard soldier kills endangered tiger at Baghdad zoo.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 20, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848 "2003-09-20T21:15:24Z")
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/41 "2003-09-20T23:04:19Z")
it is indeed mustard season - š Didja want the same kind??
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/42 "2003-09-20T23:05:18Z")
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> _Originally posted by Xploder_
> AGAIN my only beef is the way this thread was presented. Reuters reports that American soldiers are scooting around in military vehicles, wearing civilian clothing, armed and drunk so of course it must be true. At least thatās what I get from DtCās op.
Just curious, but does Reuters have a reputation for lying or misrepresentation in its news stories? Iām not much of a newshound, but Iāve always been under the impression that it was generally a respectable news source.
I mean, I certainly donāt believe we should automatically believe everything we hear, but at the same time, how are we supposed to be able to form opinions about world events if we automatically disregard everything we hear from the media?
And, just for the record, I find it extremely hard to believe that the first Gulf War was completely dry. That might have been the official policy, but I think you underestimate the resourcefulness and chemical dependency of the average American.
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/43 "2003-09-20T23:07:35Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Mr. Excellent \*
> \*\*Sorry to add another minor nitpick, but my understanding is that - despite the 60% Shia population - Iraq has traditionally been a fairly moderate muslim country, even before the Baāath party took power. Of course, the Baāath party wasnāt āmoderateā, but they were secular - I donāt believe they banned booze.
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> No, Iām afraid I donāt have a cite - this is just based on half-remembered conversations with my foreign affairs prof. I submit it for whatever itās worth, and would welcome being corrected if Iām wrong. \*\*
Oddly enough, while I couldnāt find anything on Centcomās site regarding alcohol, I did find this site:
[http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=534](http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=534)
Kind of strange that ISRAEL is sending beer to Iraq!?!
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> _Mr. Excellent_
> **Sorry, one more point - in Desert Storm, our troops were in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and (I believe) some other countries. And we drove back the Iraqis to the Kuwaiti border with Iraq, but I donāt think we actually had troops stationed in Iraq. So the Saudi attitude on alcohol, for example, need not apply here.**
True, while we did NOT have troops āstationedā in Iraq, they WERE there. I know this because I was one of them. š
The same reulations prohibiting alcohol stood there as in Saudi Arabia. As a matter of fact, the ONLY place we were EVER allowed to drink while in the Middle East was on a cruise ship that the American government had contracted to stay off the coast of Bahrain and that was ONLY for troops that were on R&R.
I went twice š
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/44 "2003-09-20T23:10:31Z")
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> \*Originally posted by sailor \*
> \*\*Barbarians will resolve things by killing.
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> If you are in an American zoo and someone gets hurt like that and you pull out your gun and kill the animal you would be in a hell of a lot of trouble and rightly so. It is inexcusable.
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> The fucktards were not fighting enemies, they were in the freaking zoo. If they do not know how to behave in a zoo then they should stay out. Trigger happy idiots.
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> I just hope they are treated as if they had done this in any American zoo. \*\*
Hey **sailor** I agree with you that if things happened as they were reported then the persons involved should be disciplined.
If you actually think that they would be treated the same as if this had happened in an American zoo then youāre breathing fumes or something.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/45 "2003-09-20T23:16:11Z")
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> \*Originally posted by RickJay \*
> \*\*Not only is the āmurderā thing a dumb hijack, itās also stupid;ly wrong. Of course you can murder a tiger. If you donāt believe me, look the word up in a dictionary.
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> The legal meaning of the word āmurderā is not the only valid meaning in English; it also means merely āto kill in a brutal manner.ā \*\*
No. In English, murder is āthe crime of unlawfully killing a person (n.b. not a tiger) esp. with malice aforethought.ā
Do you have any evidence of malice aforethought? No? Didnāt think so. Itās way more likely what others have said, the tiger attacked the guy, and his buddy shot it. Regrettable? Yes. Murder? No.
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/46 "2003-09-20T23:16:47Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Miller \*
> \*\*Just curious, but does Reuters have a reputation for lying or misrepresentation in its news stories? Iām not much of a newshound, but Iāve always been under the impression that it was generally a respectable news source.
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> I mean, I certainly donāt believe we should automatically believe everything we hear, but at the same time, how are we supposed to be able to form opinions about world events if we automatically disregard everything we hear from the media?
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> And, just for the record, I find it extremely hard to believe that the first Gulf War was completely dry. That might have been the official policy, but I think you underestimate the resourcefulness and chemical dependency of the average American. \*\*
I never said that Reuters was a news service that couldnāt be believed, I took exception with the fact that **DtC** seems to be an anti American asshole.
And just for the record, the first Gulf War was NOT totally dry. I know of two cases of people getting alcohol sent to them from Germany. Both cases resulted in the soldiers involved being court martialed and receiving bad conduct discharges.
Iāll quote Gen. H. Norman Schwartzkopf hereā¦
"There will be NO alcohol while you are deployed in the Middle East/North Africa region. I will deal brutally, BRUTALLY with any person that does not follow this directive.
My old Battalion kept that message and added it to the unit history when we got back to Germany.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/47 "2003-09-20T23:17:26Z")
Sorry, I see I was beaten to that point.
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/48 "2003-09-20T23:20:23Z")
hmm. still note that **milroyj** has ignored (three times now and counting) the request for his assertiong re: the killing of the animal was SOP.
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/49 "2003-09-20T23:26:38Z")
hey **wring** , I want mustard thatās HOTā¦you knowā¦habanero hot š
And, back to the op, it seems that if Israel is indeed sending beer to Iraq, which I see as pretty strange, then itās also possible that events took place the way they were presented in the news article.
I still find it hard to believe that and commander would let his troops have access to weapons, civilian clothing and military vehicles while drinking though.
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/50 "2003-09-20T23:26:49Z")
(and **milroyj** , you are incorrect in your assertion that āenglishā definition only refers to the killing of a human - as was pointed out already
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> v. tr.
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> 1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
> 2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
> 3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
> 4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the
note the definition #2, which was already pointed out to you. any chance youāll cite or retract your other assertion that killing an animal that attacks a human is SOP?? (makes fifth time for the request)
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/51 "2003-09-20T23:30:41Z")
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> \*Originally posted by wring \*
> \*\*(and **milroyj** , you are incorrect in your assertion that āenglishā definition only refers to the killing of a human - as was pointed out already
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> note the definition #2, which was already pointed out to you. any chance youāll cite or retract your other assertion that killing an animal that attacks a human is SOP?? (makes fifth time for the request) \*\*
I kind of look at that definitionas pertaining to HUMANS. Especially as the other three definitions pretty much pertain to humans.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/52 "2003-09-20T23:31:20Z")
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> \*Originally posted by wring \*
> \*\*hmm. still note that **milroyj** has ignored (three times now and counting) the request for his assertiong re: the killing of the animal was SOP. \*\*
Not sure what āassertiongā means š , but klling animals that attack humans is standard practice. See any story about attacks by rabid dogs and/or pitbulls. They put 'em down first, and ask questions later. Same thing applies here.
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/53 "2003-09-20T23:31:50Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Xploder \*
> \*\*hey **wring** , I want mustard thatās HOTā¦you knowā¦habanero hot š
\*\* gotcha covered.
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> \*\*I still find it hard to believe that and commander would let his troops have access to weapons, civilian clothing and military vehicles while drinking though. \*\*
I doubt that the commander āletā his troops have access to weapons, civilian clothing and military vehicles while drinking. But I agree that systems should have been in place to make all of that damn near impossible. (and ācivilianā clothing could have been something as simple as removing the jacket/helmet and just wearing khakis and t-shirt).
keep this up and weāll get you to 1000 in no time!
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/54 "2003-09-20T23:31:52Z")
damnā¦did I forget how to spell or what???
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### Author:  [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/55 "2003-09-20T23:34:36Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Xploder \*
> Hey **sailor** I agree with you that if things happened as they were reported then the persons involved should be disciplined.
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> If you actually think that they would be treated the same as if this had happened in an American zoo then youāre breathing fumes or something.
I donāt think they will be treated the same and that just shows the hypocrisy of the whole American effort there. The fact is that the whole āwe are here to help you, to liberate you, we care about youā is proven to be a lie by the fact that Americans are daily going around killing people and destroying property without much consequence to them.
In any case, what the fuck were those idiots doing there in the first place? Troops there should be on duty at all times and if they are to have R&R they can have it in the brothels of some other country who wants them.
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/56 "2003-09-20T23:36:12Z")
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> \*Originally posted by wring \*
> \*\*\*\* gotcha covered.
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> I doubt that the commander āletā his troops have access to weapons, civilian clothing and military vehicles while drinking. But I agree that systems should have been in place to make all of that damn near impossible. (and ācivilianā clothing could have been something as simple as removing the jacket/helmet and just wearing khakis and t-shirt).
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> keep this up and weāll get you to 1000 in no time! \*\*
My dear **wring**. systems are and have ALWAYS been in place to make this damn near impossible.
I can assure you that soldiers in ANY branch no longer wear khakis, nor have they done so since the early '80ās.
The article said ācasualā clothing, which to me means civilian clothing. Removing your helmet and/or jacket does NOT denote civilian clothing.
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/57 "2003-09-20T23:37:58Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Xploder \*
> \*\*snipā¦
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> Iāll quote Gen. H. Norman Schwartzkopf hereā¦
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> "There will be NO alcohol while you are deployed in the Middle East/North Africa region. I will deal brutally, BRUTALLY with any person that does not follow this directive.
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> My old Battalion kept that message and added it to the unit history when we got back to Germany. \*\*
Why are you quoting Schwartzkopf? He has nothing to do with this mess.
As to alcohol in Iraqā¦There are many breweries and distilleries in Iraq. So booze was not frowned on by everybody.
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### Author:  [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/58 "2003-09-20T23:38:00Z")
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> \*Originally posted by milroyj \*
> \*\*Not sure what āassertiongā means š , but klling animals that attack humans is standard practice. See any story about attacks by rabid dogs and/or pitbulls. They put 'em down first, and ask questions later. Same thing applies here. \*\*
Um. nope not the same type of case. In this case, some one stuck their hand into a cage containing a wild animal, the animal bit the person and scratched their arm. For example, my cat did the same thing to the vetās assistant the last time she was at the vetās and they didnāt put her down.
so, again, please provide proof (via a cite) that itās SOP to kill a zoo animal that attacks/bites a human who stuck their hand in the cage.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/59 "2003-09-20T23:43:51Z")
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> \*Originally posted by wring \*
> \*\*(and **milroyj** , you are incorrect in your assertion that āenglishā definition only refers to the killing of a human - as was pointed out already \*\*
You must have a different dictionary than I do.
Other than the primary definition, already quoted, we have:
2: something very dangerous or difficult āThe traffic was murderā
1. something outrageous or blameworthy āgetting away with murderā.
The only definition that could possibly apply is #3, which is clearly a colloquially usage. Bottom line, one canāt murder a tiger, any more than KFC murders chickens or McDonaldās murders cows.
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/60 "2003-09-20T23:45:57Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Reeder \*
> \*\*Why are you quoting Schwartzkopf? He has nothing to do with this mess.
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> As to alcohol in Iraqā¦There are many breweries and distilleries in Iraq. So booze was not frowned on by everybody. \*\*
Because at the time I was in, Schwartzkopf was the Commander of Centcom and he made the policy.
As far as there being breweries and distilleries in Iraq, I guess I learn something every day!
Alcohol was also used in the Alcan Village in Saudi Arabia while i was there. The King got VERY upset when CNN reported, and showed VIDEO of members of the 82nd Airborne at what looked like a strip show.
Turned out that the video was of Americans that worked for a Saudi national company that lived in theire own walled compund and the Saudiās KNEW that they were drinking. The Americans decided to have a talent show for the 82nd and things got out of hand.
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