# Drunken fucktard soldier kills endangered tiger at Baghdad zoo.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 20, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848 "2003-09-20T21:15:24Z")
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/101 "2003-09-21T01:52:19Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \*
> \*\ ***milroyj** -there was some idiot woman here in Pittsburgh who went to the zoo, climbed over a fence, and proceded to pet an Amazon River Dolphin. The dolphin bit her hand and wouldn’t let go, requiring stitches and I believe physical therapy.
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> Yet the dolphin-GASP!-wasn’t put down!
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> So much for your little explanation. \*\*
Hey **Guin** Could you **PLEASE** refrain from drive by posts for at least ONE thread?
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/102 "2003-09-21T01:53:50Z")
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> Give me a cite that who we have in charge is NOT competent.
It would take to long to cite everything and it’s all IMO anyway but I’ll just point to fact that he’s now begging the UN for help as a sign that he knows he’s in over his head.
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> For your information, the Commander of Centcom IS a four start General. As for having experience administering a massive military occupation (in YOUR words since I don’t recall ANYTHING saying that we were occupying Iraq) good luck finding one.
We’re NOT occupying Iraq? Are you fucking kidding me? :dubious:
As for a general with experience administrating a military occupation, meet [General Wesley Clark](http://www.clark04.com/), Supreme Allied Commander of Nato forces in Kosovo.
(Also first in his class at West Point, a Rhodes Scholar, decorated combat veteran of Vietnam, etc. etc. etc…)
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### Author:  [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/103 "2003-09-21T01:56:30Z")
I worked with tigers. They get very agitated when they eat, not to mention as feeding time approaches. You _can_ pet a tiger. If you combine feeding and petting, the conventional wisdom is you will lose an arm.
Nobody in the tiger business would put a tiger down for biting around feeding time. But, it isn’t murder. Murder is the killing of a human being. If you’d like to argue for a change in the existing law, that’s fine.
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### Author:  [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/104 "2003-09-21T02:03:24Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \*
> \*\*It would take to long to cite everything and it’s all IMO anyway but I’ll just point to fact that he’s now begging the UN for help as a sign that he knows he’s in over his head.
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> We’re NOT occupying Iraq? Are you fucking kidding me? :dubious:
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> As for a general with experience administrating a military occupation, meet [General Wesley Clark](http://www.clark04.com/), Supreme Allied Commander of Nato forces in Kosovo.
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> (Also first in his class at West Point, a Rhodes Scholar, decorated combat veteran of Vietnam, etc. etc. etc…) \*\*
I was reffering to your assertion that our COMMANDER, i.e. the General in charge was not competent.
As for General Clark, I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever. Especially since he’s retired and has no bearing on the situation.
Of course, since you’re trying to turn this into a “vote for my candidate” thing I refuse to participate.
As I stated VERY early in this thread, you seem to hate what we’re doing because you hate Bush.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/105 "2003-09-21T02:03:30Z")
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> \*Originally posted by RickJay \*
> **And according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, one of the meanings of the word “murder,” in verb form, is “to slaughter wantonly.” This, by the way, is the dictionary you looked up, but you inexplicably forgot to look at the VERB form of the word.**
I am looking at the MW dictionary right now, and it says nothing about slauhtering wantonly.
It says “the crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice aforethought”.
The second and third definitions dont match your claim, either.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/106 "2003-09-21T02:06:24Z")
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> _Originally posted by RickJay_
> Why you insist on believing “murder” has just one definition when anyone with a brain can see it does not, I do not understand.
I think you just answered your own question there, **Rick**.
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/107 "2003-09-21T02:06:51Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \*
> \*\*…As for a general with experience administrating a military occupation, meet [General Wesley Clark](http://www.clark04.com/), Supreme Allied Commander of Nato forces in Kosovo.
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> (Also first in his class at West Point, a Rhodes Scholar, decorated combat veteran of Vietnam, etc. etc. etc…) \*\*
I am just waiting for the Friends of Saddam Society to castigate Clinton, and his warmongering war criminal Clark, for pursuing a illegal war in Serbia. Good God, the Hallowed and Saintly United Nations didn’t sign off on it!!!
Oh, that’s right. I forgot all about the obcene double standard the FoS apply to their own. Carry on, and continue trying to ‘Tet’ Iraq.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/108 "2003-09-21T02:08:44Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Xploder \*
> \*\*Granted.
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> Because, regardless of Godwin’s Law, I KNOW that the holocaust happened…my Dad was there. What this op was based on was a news report with NO corroborating evidence. What I’ve said **ALL ALONG** you dickweed, was that **IF THIS REPORT IS TRUE** then the people involved should be punished.
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> I challenge you to find where I said ANYTHING different. \*\*
News stories are the lifeblood of this board. People constantly post news stories for the purpose of debate, comment and rants. I don’t see you jumping into every other thread with a news link bitching that we should all be saying “if” in every fucking sentence. The fucking “if” goes without saying. You just don’t like _this_ story because it makes a couple of soldiers look bad.
Guess what, dude, Ft. Leavenworth is filled with soldiers who did all kinds of really bad shit including rape and murder. Not all soldiers are perfect. It is not an attack on America to rip those soldiers who fuck up or the commanders who allowed them to fuck up and it’s not a comment on the troops as whole. it’s just a rip on _these two fuck-ups_ and a question about where the leadership was.
There doesn’t seem to be any dispute that the tiger was shot or that the other guy went into the outer cage and had his arm in the cage with the tiger. Those two facts would justify a rant whether alcohol was involved or not.
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/109 "2003-09-21T02:09:04Z")
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> As for General Clark, I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever. Especially since he’s retired and has no bearing on the situation.
Amazing. You were quick to quote Swartzkopf who has retired and has absolutely nothing to do with the situation.
Make up your fricking mind.
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### Author:  [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/110 "2003-09-21T02:10:59Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Xploder \*
> Because, regardless of Godwin’s Law, I KNOW that the holocaust happened…my Dad was there.
Mine wasn’t
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> What this op was based on was a news report with NO corroborating evidence. What I’ve said **ALL ALONG** you dickweed, was that **IF THIS REPORT IS TRUE** then the people involved should be punished.
You and I and the OP all agree that IF the report is true then the people involved need to be punished. The difference is this: When I say they need to be punished I do not feel the need to say “if it is true” because I consider that to be understood. Or do you think anyone here is saying they need to be punished even if it is not true? The point is that it does not look good when you first attack the poster rather than address the issue and then qualify your words in such way that makes it appear like you are not accepting the truth of the report even though you have no evidence to the contrary.
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> I challenge you to find where I said ANYTHING different.
I challenge you to find where I said that you did.
And I do not know whay you have a problem with Guin’s post which goes to illustrate a very central issue being argued which is whether zoo animals who have attacked humans are always destroyed. That is what Milroyj said and now he is whistling in the dark pretending it has nothing to do with him and hoping people will just drop it. What does not belong here is the semantic disquisition about the meaning of murder. That should have its own thread as it is not of the substance of this thread.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/111 "2003-09-21T02:14:56Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Xploder \*
> **I was reffering to your assertion that our COMMANDER, i.e. the General in charge was not competent.**
I said **CiC** , as in “Commander in Chief” which is the POTUS.
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> **As for General Clark, I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever. Especially since he’s retired and has no bearing on the situation.**
He’s running for POTUS which means he may become very relevant very soon.
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> **Of course, since you’re trying to turn this into a “vote for my candidate” thing I refuse to participate.**
That may be sort of true, but I also cited Clark to show that I would be more supportive of our actions in Iraq if I had some faith in the Commander in Chief.
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> \*\*As I stated VERY early in this thread, you seem to hate what we’re doing because you hate Bush. \*\*
You’ve got that backwards. I hate Bush because I hate what he’s doing.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/112 "2003-09-21T02:18:26Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Reeder \*
> \*\*Amazing. You were quick to quote Swartzkopf who has retired and has absolutely nothing to do with the situation.
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> Make up your fricking mind. \*\*
**Reeder** , he mentioned Schwartzkopf in direct response to my statements regarding the availability of alcohol to soldiers in the first Gulf War. His comments regarding him were not intended to have any bearing on the _current_ situation in Iraq, it was a clarification on a minor point about the _previous_ situation in Iraq.
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### Author:  [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/113 "2003-09-21T02:20:44Z")
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> \*Originally posted by milroyj \*
> **I am looking at the MW dictionary right now, and it says nothing about slauhtering wantonly.**
Go to [http://www.m-w.com/home.htm](http://www.m-w.com/home.htm) . Enter “murder” and hit enter. Click on “murder[2, verb]”. There you go.
I would note that “3 a : to put an end to” would also work.
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/114 "2003-09-21T02:21:00Z")
**Miller** …the entire OP is about the present. Not something or someone involved 12 years ago.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/115 "2003-09-21T02:22:00Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Brutus \*
> \*\*I am just waiting for the Friends of Saddam Society to castigate Clinton, and his warmongering war criminal Clark, for pursuing a illegal war in Serbia. Good God, the Hallowed and Saintly United Nations didn’t sign off on it!!!
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> Oh, that’s right. I forgot all about the obcene double standard the FoS apply to their own. Carry on, and continue trying to ‘Tet’ Iraq. \*\*
The action in Kosovo was neither illegal nor a war. It was a peace-keeping mission authorized by Nato and the UN.
Is the best you can do to attack General Clark, because that’s pretty lame. Anyone with any intellectual honesty would have to admit that GWB is not a pimple on Wesley Clark’s ass when it comes to military cred.
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### Author:  [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/116 "2003-09-21T02:22:12Z")
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> \*Originally posted by milroyj \*
> \*\*Fucko off. Words do have meanings, you know. Unless you are prepared to argue that by walking on it, I am somehow murdering the grass, or that if I eat at KFC, I am somehow murdering chickens, you need to pipe down. Killing a tiger that is eating your buddy’s arm off is NOT murder. \*\*
You are a moron milroyj, what was stated earlier is very true, OED by any acedemic would have much more weight than MW (snicker). As for you pathetic and moronic analogy: Well, we shall just say you are a moron. If you poke a dead body does it mean you killed it? No, it means somebody else killed it. You didn’t kill the chickens at KFC, the people that KFC get their chickens from killed them.
You are doubly moronic if you think that walking on grass kills it.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/117 "2003-09-21T02:24:38Z")
**Reeder** : Right. Discussion of past events has absolutely no place in a debate on the Middle East. It’s strictly a matter of the here and now, and never mind how we get to this point. How silly of me to forget that.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/118 "2003-09-21T02:27:24Z")
Hi Epimetheus, fuck you too. It’s not possible to murder a tiger.
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/119 "2003-09-21T02:54:30Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \*
> \*\*The action in Kosovo was neither illegal nor a war. It was a peace-keeping mission authorized by Nato and the UN.
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> Is the best you can do to attack General Clark, because that’s pretty lame. Anyone with any intellectual honesty would have to admit that GWB is not a pimple on Wesley Clark’s ass when it comes to military cred. \*\*
At least when you lie, you do it with a big smile on your face.
Not a war? Are you high? As for the legality, the war in Iraq was _at least_ as legal as the war in Serbia. Both were approved _after_ the fact by the UN. By your head-up-ass standards, the action in Serbia was every bit as ‘illegal’ as the action in Iraq.
Like I said, I expect nothing but hypocricy and double-standards from the Friends of Saddam. And I am not disappointed by your blabberings.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/drunken-fucktard-soldier-kills-endangered-tiger-at-baghdad-zoo/202848/120 "2003-09-21T02:56:08Z")
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> \*Originally posted by milroyj \*
> \*\*Hi Epimetheus, fuck you too. It’s not possible to murder a tiger. \*\*
You know, repeating this over and over doesn’t make it any more true. This is real life, not Tinkerbell’s death scene from Peter Pan.
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