DSLR recommendations for a beginner please

You get a kit at Costco with one or two lenses that are far superior to anything on a camera or non-interchangeable lens camera. That said, the really amazing lenses do not come in kits. I go with Canon because they are very serious about photography, but have other divisions that are profitable to carry the company during lean times. Unless you are planning on shooting with the aperture wide open, which has the effect of putting the subject in focus and everything else blurrier as it is more distant (called “bokkah”), you can avoid the super expensive and heavy lenses. These are used by portrait photographers for the most part. I have a 10mm-22mm lens that is just f’in stunning for parties, but useable only on the Rebel series. It now sells for about $680, which is several hundred dollars less than I paid. My 400mm was about $1200 and is great for wildlife. You can pay $8k for a 400mm lens that has a wider aperture and is heavier, but I have no need of that, and at the settings I use, mine is sharper anyway. (I’m into really sharp.)

And always have your camera with you. A cheap camera with a lousy lens is better to take a picture with than no camera at all.

I’ll be the last person to dissuade a budding photographer from pursuing the hobby but, if you are just going to be taking vacation snaps, stick with the P&S. Just because you have a DSLR doesn’t automagically mean the your photos will turn out any better. Better photos come from understanding light and composition. Once you understand those and are starting to feel limited with your P&S, then get a DSLR. Also, lugging around a bunch of camera gear while you are supposed to be enjoying your honeymoon gets old pretty fast. Your new spouse is not going to be having fun when you are messing around setting up your tripod and dicking with the remote trigger either.

Having spent enough on gear, I just wanted to second Telemarks suggestion to work on your knowledge and skills.
Also, for travel and safari, consider the bulk and wt of your gear, and the support; tripods, monopods, bean bags make a lot of shots possible that handheld won’t.

Also, don’t underestimate the P&S category. I have an Oly xz-1 I bought recently for about 200 (-2 is imminent) that has good glass on the it and is quite worthy as a walk around travel camera. It doens’t have the reach for wildlife, but it’s the size of a pack of cigarettes.

It might sound like overkill but things get small fast when you’re doing wildlife photography. Even with a 400mm lens, you will often end up cropping to get a reasonable sized main subject.

Rental wise, its not hundreds in the US for a few days, check out lensrentals prices, you’re talking 200ish for a fortnight, which is a ton less than buying a mediocre 300mm lens as some here have suggested. Yes its heavy by comparison, but you’ll be in a vehicle for African shooting tours, and 400mm isnt like the 500mm monsters or the like.

http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/canon/lenses/supertelephoto/canon-100-400mm-f4.5-5.6l-is

When it comes to something you’re going to do once, it makes a lot more sense to rent a lens for the job, than to buy something thats going to be a major compromise. And this is one of those situations where brand will matter, because there arent any 400mm+ high quality lenses for quite a few brands.

Otara

I won’t be buying the DSLR immediately, so I think I will play around more with my P&S in the meantime, thanks.

And thanks everyone for your advice. :slight_smile:

Not exactly true. If you’re shooting aperture-priority “wide open” (aka largest aperature, aka smallest f-stop), how wide open you can get will depend on your level of zoom – hence the f-stop changes as you zoom.

Frankly I almost always shoot aperture-priority (in a studio with lights I’ll shoot manual, and never shoot shutter-priority), and not having a lens that can open to f1.8, or worse, “wide open” suddenly becomes 2 stops smaller while you’re paying attention to what’s in the viewfinder to frame and shoot, is incredibly frustrating. Suddenly the shot you thought you had is blurry because your zoom closed the aperture and your shutter speed got slower.

Outdoors on a safari this won’t make too much difference, but if you practice indoors, it’ll be a lot tougher to get a good shot. f3.3 indoors at 400ISO may not give you a fast enough shutter speed to shoot hand-held, and f5.6 definitely won’t (both are the “wide open” f-stops of my zoom lens). And higher ISOs (“film speed”, basically) get more visual noise in the image the higher you go. That can be fine in stuff that’s meant to be low-light photography, but if you’re trying to take a portrait, not so much.

In any case, since she’s talking about practicing for about a year before heading off to shoot cheetahs, a 50mm fixed lens is a good lens to practice on, and inexpensive as lenses go, so she can learn the rest of the techniques and make them habitual without getting distracted by her lens. “Using your feet to zoom” is a good habit to get into, anyway, when it’s an option. And once the techniques are a habit, it’ll be easier to compensate for the zoom lens/changing aperture, because the rest of it won’t require any conscious thought.

I recently did a bit of business with lensrentalsdotcom. Easy and painless way to test drive 2 high end lenses to help me decide which to buy. Think netflix easy, well almost, you have to drop off your box at a UPS or FedEx store.

A couple years ago the folks around here steered me toward a Nikon D5000 because one of my sine-qua-nons was good low-light performance, and Nikon did a little better than Canon at that at the time. I’ve been perfectly happy with it, and I have a couple things to note that worked out really well for me.

Here are a couple shortcuts so you can understand the numbers thrown around:

Numbers like 18-55, 55-300, or 50 prime: This refers to how much the camera lens zooms. Low numbers are wide angle, useful if you’re close to a subject or if a subject is very large, like a sunset. High numbers are very zoomed in, which you’ll want for a safari because the animals will not be in your lap. A number without a range is a “prime” lens, which does not zoom. 50mm, for the cameras that you’re talking about, is more or less neither zoomed in nor zoomed out. It’s the midpoint. Prime lenses have other great qualities.

Numbers preceded by “f/” refer to aperture. That means how big the opening in the lens is and thereby how much light gets in. Smaller numbers are bigger holes. Bigger holes let in more light means that you can take pictures in darker situations or with shorter shutter speeds. Larger apertures (that means a larger hole and a smaller number) also have a smaller area that’s in focus. For instance, a f/1.8 setting, focused on an object fifteen feet away, may see other things start to become out of focus at thirteen and seventeen feet away, and pretty darn fuzzy at ten and twenty feet. A lens set at f/6 focused on the same object might only start to get fuzzy at ten and twenty feet and only get really fuzzy out at about forty feet. That’s not all bad; by keeping only your subject in sharp focus, you draw more attention to your subject and not to the trees in the background or the long grass in the foreground. Lenses that have the ability to go down to very large apertures are very expensive, unless they’re prime. That’s why some people are recommending you get the 50mm prime lens: it can go all the way down to f/1.8, which is really awesome. It’s also the cheapest lens Nikon makes, even cheaper than the kit lens, so it’s a nice addition.

Shutter speed is a measure of how long the light sensor is exposed to light. Longer shutter speeds are brighter, but if there’s any motion, either from the camera moving or the subject moving, the picture will be blurry. You’ll need longer shutter speeds in darker situations, and shorter ones if you want to catch something very fast. Your DSLR has settings to control this, or you can set it to automatic.

Don’t shy away from buying a factory refurbished camera or lens rather than a new one. They’re tested to the same standards as new cameras by the manufacturer, and you’re getting the exact same warranty.

If you’re buying a zoom lens other than the kit lens (and you should if you’re planning on doing wildlife photography, because the kit lens does not zoom enough to shoot anything more skittish than a house cat), consider buying the camera body-only or bundled with a longer lens, so you can skip the kit lens entirely. I went with an 18-105mm lens instead of the 18-55mm kit lens and it was a great choice.

If you’re worried about low light situations, you need a lens that can go down to low aperture numbers. The f/1.8 50mm lens is a great one for doing that. I use it all the time to take pictures of people at parties because even if it’s pretty dark, you won’t need a flash and you won’t disturb people.

Thanks appleciders, that was really helpful. :slight_smile:

There really is one more thing to concider, and that is who you are going to purchase the camera from, regardless of the make and model. The box stores are going to be better from a price point initially, but the smaller chains offer quite a bit more of the back end of owning a camera.

Declan

Well, I live in Korea, so I can either buy it at one of the electronic markets or online. Online is usually better in terms of price, but then you can’t handle the camera before buying. On the other hand, I feel bad about going to a stall or a store, fondling the cameras, and then going back home to buy it online (I know a lot of merchants are suffering because of cutthroat online prices).

I might trying buying one used off an auction site, but that would probably mean I have to buy Canon, since Canons are the most popular brand here.

Canon is a great brand. Really you cant lose when it comes to lower end DSLR’s these days, they’re all good, and DSLR technology is into diminishing returns these days anyhow, so second hand makes a lot of sense. The main thing you get less of is video as its a newer technology on DSLR’s, but for stills its fine, and Canon has been doing video for a while, so you’re probably fine with anything semi recent.

Otara

I’m very grateful for your kind words. Thank you. More accurately though, B&H is a retailer whose founder/owner is a Hasidic Jewish gentleman. We disable online ordering Friday evening through sundown Saturday (NYC time) and our store is closed Friday afternoons and all day Saturday.

I believe some stores (like Calumet Camera here in Chicago) can get referral bonuses from the manufacturer if you say that they convinced you to buy one but you purchased it elsewhere. Not quite sure how it works, I think there is a form.

… but who still manage to dispatch and deliver items to the antipodes quicker than local retailers.

Very respectable

The local sites are very laughable. I’ve been waiting over a month for some things.