# Duck Duck Goose. TubaDiva evangelism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888 "2005-02-13T18:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/181 "2005-02-19T20:38:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > But, if you honestly feel that the admins cannot be trusted, or that **Tuba** has no integrity, then, although we can disagree whether that would be overreacting or not, I think this may not be the best place for you. I also have nothing to gain from TubaDiva’s either continued tenure or departure as I have nothing to hide. My leaving would not affect the situation one way or another, nor would her continual admin position affect me on a personal level. For me, it’s a matter of principle and the potential devastating effects her actions had on another doper (regardless of their history) and possible future consequences with other doper’s privacy issues. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/182 "2005-02-19T20:41:34Z")
> [@Mauvaise](#): > > Maybe because there are quite a few of us\* who do not feel that she _has_ been “duly” punished. That her “punishment” smacks of “We better do something to make it seem like we take this seriously, just to shut these people up, even though we don’t think there really is an issue here.” > > \*Just because we are not as … vocal as catsix doesn’t mean we aren’t out there. Sure – you’re entitled to your opinion. (Though if I ever am a party to a jury trial, you just earned yourself a pre-emptive challenge from the jury panel!) But I direct your attention to one sentence in my post #159: > [@Polycarp](#): > > And for that was duly suspended and term-banned by the Reader, in what they considered to be the appropriate punishment for her offense. It gets repeated here time and again, that the SDMB is not a democracy, representative or otherwise, but the property of the Chicago Reader, who have graciously made it available for us to build a community within. And it is they and their appointees who administer the high, medium, and low justice around here. You may think that a month’s suspension followed by return to duties is too minimal a punishment, someone else may think it overdone. But what matters is what the **Reader** thinks is appropriate. Although IMO this sets a precedent which Administrators ought to take seriously in dealing out their justice hereafter – IMO a long-time member who becomes a bannee (or banshee, to quote **Dex** ’s neologism) would have to commit something **egregiously** worse than a violation of confidentiality to get the _permanent_ axe. Whether that’s good or bad is debatable. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/183 "2005-02-19T20:45:09Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > Umm, **Duderdude2**. I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet. Unless I am being whooshed. Not whooshed. I don’t think he was directing the tone of the post at you, but at those who express that sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/184 "2005-02-19T20:49:46Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > It’s not that big of a deal! In fact, since you don’t really care too much about this issue, I’m driving to your house as I type this to install a webcam on the seat of your toilet. It’s no big deal, right? You’d be blowing things out of proportion if you assume a right to personal privacy. This could be the silliest thing I’ve read here in a long time. Sillier than 1920’s death rays; sillier than Og, sillier than Ayn Rand. But those things were silly and amusing. Your pst is just silly and incredibly idiotic. It’s kinda like Monty Python vs Paulie Shore. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/185 "2005-02-19T21:02:55Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > **Una** is just _wrong_ here. This planet, and the SDMB are **not** doomed, just so long as we have a steady supply of economical, efficient, clean burning, coal. If the sun goes out, we may end up pumping Oxygen off the bottom of nitrogen seas, but by God, as long as we have coal, we’ll be all right! Nitrogen seas…ugh. At least we won’t have to worry about NOx… Actually, I’ve been wondering if perhaps what we should do is burn backup CDs of the SDMB and send them off in Voyager-type craft across the Galaxy, to let some other civilization try to figure the situation out. Then when they figure it out, utilizing the brightest and best minds of their culture, they can radio the answer back to us. And then sometime in the far future, someone here on Earth will receive their message via radio telescope, review it, and respond back to this alien intelligence with the profound message: “Cite?” ---
**Author:** ![ltfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@ltfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ltfire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/186 "2005-02-19T21:41:06Z")
What a friggin’ tempest in a tea pot. The weekend that all this shit went down, not being privy to the threads or posters involved, I spent more time than was warranted trying to get the gist of all the serious and ominous comments…the police are involved…the lawyers are involved…etc. So, here’s poor me, who doesn’t spend his every waking minute on this board, left to speculating what to hell occurred. Here’s the direction I headed off to. A prolific, and annoying poster by the initials RD, was banned right in the middle of this other fiasco. haHA!, I said to myself…he totally flipped out, strapped on his talked about big pistol, and headed out on a one way trip to Chicago, destination, The SD offices…if there are offices…Man! I Googled every Chicago newspaper, digging for info on a shooting, and I ended up being so disappointed, you wouldn’t believe. This Tuba Manager…Stage Diva shit is down right asinine. If you demand privacy in your life, stay the fuck off your computer! Simple. And, I liked MY story better. It wouldn’t have been boring the shit out of me like this one. Back to you, knuckle heads. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/187 "2005-02-20T00:26:19Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Good Lord, can we beat this deceased equine any more? > > **TubaDiva** gave over six years of herself to keeping this board and its predecessor running smoothly, mixing justice and compassion in what I consider an eminently fair way. You know, Poly, I don’t like that kind of argument. Because(I’m going for a comparison, not a true analogy) that’s the same kind of justification an abused woman usually comes up with as a reason why she’s staying with her husband: “But it’s only when he’s drunk. When he’ sober, he’s just the sweetest thing.” I really don’t care how much unpaid work she put in. That shouldn’t factor, because then we end up in a situation where fuck ups must be weighed against previous accomplishments. And I think there should be absolute boundaries for mods and admins as well. It shouldn’t matter how much a person contributes to the board, when judging if that person is a jerk or not. Iknow the mods do this, when they’re discussing the banning of a long time poster. That’s their choice. But when of of their own fucks up, in a monumental way, previous work must be disregarded, precisely because that person has been instrumental in banning other posters for jerkish actions before. In essence, the credibility of SDMB rests on a foundation that no one is above the law. If exceptions are made, because a mod has worked for free for x number of years, then we end up in a situation where we must grade actions with work. Should Xash get away with the same stuff? Tomndebb? IIRC Manny got demoted for something far less serious. I don’t have any personal info, I paid through PayPal and in any case,I’ve got nothing illegal to hide. However, as a journalist, I have a very strong respect for the protection of sources. I also think that even the creepiest slimeball deserves his/her day in court. And I think a lot of actions (in general) are made because people think they have the moral high ground, and thus, can disregard legalities, common sense and decency and just pile on, feeling safe because they think no one will stand up and defend the rights of the slimeball. I for one think that justice is served when the slimeball gets a fair hearing - not when the slimeball gets kicked in the gonads by a randomself righteous prick. Because that doesn’t bring justice to the slime ball, it just serves to make the gonad kicker feel better about him/her self. And that’s the problem I have with TD - her actions only made her feel better. And for that, she violated trust. ---
**Author:** ![unclviny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e274bd/32.png) [@unclviny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unclviny)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/188 "2005-02-20T00:38:24Z")
Bunnies are soft. Unclviny ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/189 "2005-02-20T00:44:52Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > The sneering manner of her post indicated to me that she was taking joy in doing what she did, not believing she ‘had to’ in order to 'protect the community. You have nailed it. Any other person in charge would probably have wanted to protect etc. ut you have nailed her personality and _that_ is the ongoing problem, not this one time mess up. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/190 "2005-02-20T02:04:19Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > IIRC Manny got demoted for something far less serious. Actually, **manny** stepped down voluntarily, you’re probably thinking of **Euty**. Other than that, I agree with you 100%. ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/191 "2005-02-20T02:25:21Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Feel free to respond with righteous indignation. Feel free to get a rectal craniotomy!!! ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/192 "2005-02-20T05:30:04Z")
> [@](#): > > **Good Egg** said: > You have nailed it. Any other person in charge would probably have wanted to protect etc. ut you have nailed her personality and that is the ongoing problem, not this one time mess up. Thank you. In the end, with all ‘mitigating’ and ‘exacerbating’ circumstances considered, it was that sneer, that ‘I bet you won’t give it to me either, so I’m going to do this here.’ that bothered me the most. It was the fact that she _knew_ what she was doing was wrong, that it was against the rules she agreed to follow when she took the position, yet the deliberate, knowing, flouting of them anyway that really made it wrong. When you’re an admin, and you break confidentiality, it’s wrong and it’s probably the end of your job. But it’s a million times worse if you flaunt the fact that you know you’re breaking the rules because you’re being petty and mean - and that’s what she did. Her words weren’t of ‘I need to do this to be a good person.’ They were the words of someone who said ‘Nyah Nyah I got you.’ I still think that despite what was said about things that ‘happen off board’, I’d be banned immediately if I pulled a ‘Nyah Nyah I got you.’ on one of the mods or admins. And I’m not even asking that she be banned. I just don’t think she should ever be trusted with admin status or mod status again. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/193 "2005-02-20T07:01:29Z")
> [@unclviny](#): > > Bunnies are soft. > > Unclviny And fluffy. And when they come, they bring pie. Ya know, I realize that I don’t have to read this thread. However, it would be darn nice if my eyes didn’t bleed when I did. Also, FWIW (and this is the first time I’ve commented anywhere), I think Tuba screwed up. However, that doesn’t mean that every person who disagrees with me has their tongue up hers, or anyone elses ass - it just means we disagree. Am I the only person who can picture the spittle flying out of **Catsix’s** mouth as she posts here? Seriously, switch to decaf. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/194 "2005-02-20T15:34:30Z")
You have an over active imagination. Maybe you should lay off the hallucinogens so that you can stop adding your own editorial to my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/195 "2005-02-20T15:50:06Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Am I the only person who can picture the spittle flying out of **Catsix’s** mouth as she posts here? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/196 "2005-02-20T16:03:01Z")
Group hallucinations or just suggestive imaginations? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/197 "2005-02-20T16:18:52Z")
I must be hallucinating too, then. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/198 "2005-02-20T17:12:26Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > You have an over active imagination. Maybe you should lay off the hallucinogens so that you can stop adding your own editorial to my posts. Ok sweety. Whatever you say. I wouldn’t want to upset you anymore - you seem to be doing fine on your own. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/199 "2005-02-20T17:24:25Z")
Jesus _wept_, **catsix** , give it a rest. Once upon a time, you had a point. I even agreed with it: the administration did not seem to be taking the matter of privacy violation seriously enough. But your ongoing hate-filled screeching about what a terrible fucking human being TubaDiva is for doing what she did is losing you the argument. Even people who agreed with you are edging away from you. Get some fucking perspective. Yes, it’s a serious matter. But just as **Duck Duck Goose** needs to lay off the superior attitude, so do you. It is possible for reasonable people to disagree. Having a different opinion than you does not make someone a rim-jobbing love slave of the administration, and making the comparison does you no credit and advances your point not at all. Adopting a more reasonable tone might just stand a chance of winning someone on the other side over to yours. As it is, I’m beginning to consider renewing my membership as a sign of support just to differentiate myself from you. Not out of fear of the administration coming down on you for your stance, but simply because I find your behavior reprehensible. Cut it the fuck out. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/200 "2005-02-20T22:21:37Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > When you’re an admin, and you break confidentiality, it’s wrong and it’s probably the end of your job. But it’s a million times worse if you flaunt the fact that you know you’re breaking the rules because you’re being petty and mean - and that’s what she did. > > Her words weren’t of ‘I need to do this to be a good person.’ They were the words of someone who said ‘Nyah Nyah I got you.’ Your observation is dead on. And to everyone else who says “shut up already,” are we not in the Pit? Well then. We aren’t serving tea and cakes here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=11)