# Duck Duck Goose. TubaDiva evangelism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888 "2005-02-13T18:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jadis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@Jadis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jadis)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/41 "2005-02-14T16:59:49Z")
I think that this thread would have been a lot more entertaining if **DDG** had responded by calling **1010011010** a cunt in red, 72 point font. But maybe that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/42 "2005-02-14T17:01:35Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Some of you must be illiterate. Did it not yet sink in that this topic is verboten? Actually, it’s not. We can talk about the fact that **Tuba** revealed private information-we just can’t say WHAT that information was. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/43 "2005-02-14T17:09:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Actually, it’s not. We can talk about the fact that **Tuba** revealed private information-we just can’t say WHAT that information was. In fairness to **Airman Doors** , you’re wrong about that. > [@](#): > > By **Ed Zotti** > Do NOT ask for or post such details on the SDMB; all such posts/threads will be removed. Furthermore, do not post further comments on whether TubaDiva’s suspension was appropriate; such discussions invariably prompt someone to rehash the specifics, which we are trying to avoid. We are aware some people feel the punishment was insufficient. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206) You, I or others may wish to go against that rather blunt statement but be under no illusion that it doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/44 "2005-02-14T17:10:58Z")
> [@x-ray vision](#): > > her second major fuck-up regarding privacy issues (the second worse than the first) within a short period of time What “first” are you referring to? **vanilla**? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/45 "2005-02-14T17:16:11Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > What “first” are you referring to? **vanilla**? Either that or he’s thinking of the time **Lynn** revealed **Aldebaran** ’s location. ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/46 "2005-02-14T17:19:20Z")
> [@Jadis](#): > > I think that this thread would have been a lot more entertaining if **DDG** had responded by calling **1010011010** a cunt in red, 72 point font. > > But maybe that’s just me. Absolutely. What a missed opportunity. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/47 "2005-02-14T17:21:37Z")
I was talking about **Aldebaran**. I don’t know about **Vanilla**. Another breach of privacy? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/48 "2005-02-14T17:35:41Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > In fairness to **Airman Doors** , you’re wrong about that. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206) > > You, I or others may wish to go against that rather blunt statement but be under no illusion that it doesn’t exist. **Yojimbo** , it seems to me that as long as: a) details are neither asked for nor posted, and b) opinions about Tuba’s punishment are withheld, then such threads as this are allowed. I don’t see where **Ed Zotti** is putting the kibbosh on anything else (as of this writing). **Airman Doors** and you may have a broad interpretation of **Ed Zotti’s** post, which is fine. Others, however, will have a narrower interpretation (i.e. if it’s it not specifically forbidden, it’s fair game for discussion). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/49 "2005-02-14T17:39:01Z")
> [@x-ray vision](#): > > I was talking about **Aldebaran**. You’re saying **Tubadiva** was invovled in that? News to me. > [@](#): > > _I don’t know about **Vanilla**. Another breach of privacy?_ In a way, except **vanilla** brought it upon herself. She started a Pit thread about some people at her church; she later sent them a link. This led to the pastor getting involved in the thread, **vanilla** being suspended and subsequently banned by **Tuba**. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/50 "2005-02-14T17:42:45Z")
I may have been misinformed about **Aldebaran**. If so, disregard. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/51 "2005-02-14T17:50:07Z")
> [@NattoGuy](#): > > I Another advantage would be that you could find out whether they’re willing to participate in the community without being a position of power or authority (yes, I’m aware that some started out that way, but it would be very telling to find out if they could ever go back or not). There are at least 4 current members here who at one time held moderator status. Three of them (myself being one) stepped down for our own reasons and the other was terminated involuntarily. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/52 "2005-02-14T17:57:18Z")
> [@x-ray vision](#): > > I may have been misinformed about **Aldebaran**. If so, disregard. AFAICT, her only involvment with **A** was that she posted the gist of his email asking to be reinstated. **Dex** had already opened the door to that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/53 "2005-02-14T18:53:38Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > Can someone help me out here? What logical fallacy is this again? I know it’s not a Hasty Generalization because Squink didn’t even base his assumption on a sample of any size. Why Gosh **Duderdude2** , two points for you for spotting the ‘logical fallacy’. The only sample available is that found in these threads, and there’s no evidence that the posters in them represent a concensus view either, is there? Why not take a poll and find out? Ohh, because the admins asked us not to roll around in this shit. Of course that leaves us with just the posts of the pissed, and promotes a biased perception of everyone’s opinion, but you’re OK with that fallacy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/54 "2005-02-14T20:12:07Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > The only sample available is that found in these threads, and there’s no evidence that the posters in them represent a concensus view either, is there? I didn’t say there was. > [@Squink](#): > > Ohh, because the admins asked us not to roll around in this shit. > Of course that leaves us with just the posts of the pissed, and promotes a biased perception of everyone’s opinion, but you’re OK with that fallacy, right? Strawman fallacy. I also did not say that, nor even allude to it. So, that makes four points now, right? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/55 "2005-02-14T20:23:16Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > So, that makes four points now, right? That’s right, it sure does! 🙂 Now that you’re getting the hang of things, let’s see if you can spot any other fallacies or distortions in this thread, _without_ me throwing out softballs. ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/56 "2005-02-14T20:26:10Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > That’s right, it sure does! 🙂 > Now that you’re getting the hang of things, let’s see if you can spot any other fallacies or distortions in this thread, _without_ me throwing out softballs. Well, I’m glad you seemingly have no trouble pitching them. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/57 "2005-02-14T20:35:39Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > And what happens the next time she makes a decision [as an admin.] that members view as unfair? > Won’t all this be dragged up again every time? > And what choices will there be then - will they ban everyone who dares to express outrage against her, ever? > Don’t you think it sets a bad example - if one admin or mod is allowed to get away with something that they **knew** was wrong, what hope is there, for the humble member who challenges a mod, to be treated justly? > We are the paying customers - we deserve to be treated with respect by the admin. people, whether they are volunteers or not - they agreed to abide by the rules when they took the job on. I’ll tackle these one at a time. I’m not very proficient with quote tags, so please bear with me. 1. I imagine, given the number of posters and opinions on this board, that this situation will come up again, if not with TD, then with another mod. It’ll get dealt with as the staff feels is appropriate. I’ve not been given any indication that ‘the members’ or any significant majority, view this incident as the travesty you believe it to be. 2)It’ll get dragged up by some, I suppose, and then I’d hope they’d get shouted down for hijacking. 3)If they break posting rules to show their outrage, i guess so. if you’re only purpose behind sticking around is to hound someone else, then you might want to find a better use for your money. 4)I think that a cookie cutter, zero-tolerance policy is a worse example than taking all variables into account. I’ll not go into details, but the reason I still support TD is because, due to the nature of this particular incident, I don’t feel as though my info, financial or otherwise, is in jeopardy. You are free to feel differently. Though some try to dismiss motive, I think that it plays the largest part in her actions, and hedges against a repeat performance. Plus, there is her exemplary record of service to all of us. 1. We ARE paying customers- and if the outcome doesn’t suit you, you are free to vote with your dollar. But a customer is not a shareholder, not a staff member, and not an administrator, so stop it with ‘the customer is always right’ stuff. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/58 "2005-02-14T22:07:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Stonebow** > I’ll not go into details, but the reason I still support TD is because, due to the nature of this particular incident, I don’t feel as though my info, financial or otherwise, is in jeopardy. As long as you’ve got nothing to worry about, why give a shit about anyone else? You’ve got a reaaly good reason to support her there **Stonebow**. “Who cares about how malicious her actions were, I’ve got nothing to worry about”. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/59 "2005-02-14T22:32:51Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > 1. We ARE paying customers- and if the outcome doesn’t suit you, you are free to vote with your dollar. But a customer is not a shareholder, not a staff member, and not an administrator, so stop it with ‘the customer is always right’ stuff. Seconded. Those “I’m a paying customer here!” posts have been all over these discussions and they really piss me off. Paying $4.95 or $14.95 a year did not magically transform you into an emperor and all the moderators and administrators into your servants. Don’t like it? Feel free to piss off and find another message board where the staff will fawn all over you for your five bucks a year. \ “What happened to the customer is always right?” “The customer is always an ASSHOLE!” \ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/60 "2005-02-14T22:46:45Z")
> [@x-ray vision](#): > > As long as you’ve got nothing to worry about, why give a shit about anyone else? You’ve got a reaaly good reason to support her there **Stonebow**. “Who cares about how malicious her actions were, I’ve got nothing to worry about”. Excellent reading comprehension there, Sparky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=4)