# Duck Duck Goose. TubaDiva evangelism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888 "2005-02-13T18:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Xamatix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e274bd/32.png) [@Xamatix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xamatix)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/81 "2005-02-15T00:06:04Z")
> [@x-ray vision](#): > > Well, since this her second major fuck-up regarding privacy issues (the second worse than the first) within a short period of time, maybe another wrist slap? Lynn did it to support Mehitabel in her obsession. Here’s is the thread Aldebaran made on it. > **[Privacy rules don't count for moderators](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=268206)** > > I tried to get clarification about this incident by mail, yet there came no reply at all So I am sorry, but since there came no answer to my mails I ask for clarification by use of this forum. And I think this issue is a concern for several... Look all of you, you scream now at TubaDiva. You’ve kept your mouth good shut then, except of a few. The admins made nothing out of it too, they attacked cause he made that thread. It was brushed away by all of you but for a few. You’ve no idea about lives of others who post here. You’ve no idea what he had to be concerned with about his privacy on the internet. Let alone when he got on a message board where he left his traces by posting too. I can tell you that what Lynn did caused Aldebaran serious worries and costed him money too. You’ve seen someone here coming forward to refund him that? Not a thank you from the admins that he didn’t cause them trouble over it, not an apology from Lyn he’s got. And overhere the posts of Lynn got used by the nutty woman and her clique to harass him even more. You know as well as I do that’s what drove him over the edge. It was still used to trash him while he was already banned. You’re not ashamed now to ask for degradation or even for banning of an other admin cause she did what Lynn did, only she posted her abuse of private information outside the board? You’re hypocrites with double standards. Lynn got nothing, TubaDiva got already worse. Read that thread of Aldebaran again. You’ll see the admins had no feedback on what was what on the privacy rules. It should’ve been taken serious THEN and you wouldn’t have the situation of now. Christ, he posted that thread like a loud alarmbell and the sound of it was laughed away and the victim attacked and mocked at. Fucking hypocrites. For me TubaDiva can come back right now. She’s victim of the mentality that ruled here. Trashing the messenger and protect the offender at all cost. It’s one good thing that there’s a change in that now and Ed should’ve done THEN what he said will be done now. Let’s hope that every admin and mod will know in the future what’s really understood with privacy rules. Give it a rest. Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/82 "2005-02-15T00:30:19Z")
**Xamatix** do you ever post about anything else? Jesus Christ, your precious **Aldebaran** acted like a jerk and was banned. No, that doesn’t justify **Lynn** ’s actions. It doesn’t justify HIS either. Learn a new song, this one’s getting old. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/83 "2005-02-15T00:42:21Z")
> [@Xamatix](#): > > Lynn did it to support Mehitabel in her obsession. Here’s is the thread Aldebaran made on it. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=268206](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=268206) > > Look all of you, you scream now at TubaDiva. You’ve kept your mouth good shut then, except of a few. The admins made nothing out of it too, they attacked cause he made that thread. It was brushed away by all of you but for a few. > You’ve no idea about lives of others who post here. You’ve no idea what he had to be concerned with about his privacy on the internet. Let alone when he got on a message board where he left his traces by posting too. OK, I’m having trouble finding a coherent thread in this. It’s clear that you think privacy is important and no person has the right to question why another person needs their privacy. I agree. But then you go on to say that because a previous breach was not punished to your satisfaction, it would be hypocritical to punish subsequent breaches such as this one? I don’t get it. > [@](#): > > You’re not ashamed now to ask for degradation or even for banning of an other admin cause she did what Lynn did, only she posted her abuse of private information outside the board? You’re hypocrites with double standards. Lynn got nothing, TubaDiva got already worse. I would think that if privacy is really important to you, you would be pleased that the responses are becoming more serious. As it is, you aren’t pleased. That makes me think that perhaps you want everyone to suffer admins who flagrantly violate privacy rules, because you think people didn’t object enough when it happened to Aldebaraan. Maybe I get it now. > [@](#): > > Read that thread of Aldebaran again. You’ll see the admins had no feedback on what was what on the privacy rules. I’m glad you drew my attention to that [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=268206&page=2&pp=50) because I wasn’t here at that time. In light of what is going on, I found Ed Zotti’s comments in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5110102&postcount=85) to be particularly fascinating: > [@Ed Zotti](#): > > I have sent out a couple notes indicating among other things that no private information about individual users to which the mods have access by virtue of their positions is to be publicly revealed, nor are they to publicly say, suggest, etc., that they have looked up or will look up an individual’s info. We do look up numbers from time to time in the course of our work but this info is for internal use only. Interesting. It seems that there actually _was_ a code of conduct instituted at that time, one that should have applied to the most recent incident. But there was no schedule of penalties attached to it. To me, that’s the problem that keeps cropping up over and over in this issue. There seems to be no recognition of the fact that occasionally mods/admins will fuck up, and there needs to be a formal way to raise and address those grievances. I’m not talking about a democracy, of course, but something a little more accessible than starting a pit thread saying “Moderator X made a mistake” and then having Moderator X come in and say “tough shit, douchebag” or have an admin say “This mistake was so horrible that all discussion of it is stanched.”\* I think this is something that needs to be explored further. - At first I thought this latest issue was being completely suppressed, but I now see that as long as members observe privacy by not talking about the offended member’s details, the threads are being tolerate. Good on the SDMB for that. I appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![Keapon\_Laffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@Keapon\_Laffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keapon_Laffin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/84 "2005-02-15T01:19:35Z")
I’ve been reading the Alderbaran thread for the first time. I just had to point out the irony of these statements: > [@Ed Zotti](#): > > 1. I have sent out a couple notes indicating among other things that **no private information about individual users to which the mods have access by virtue of their positions is to be publicly revealed** , nor are they to publicly say, suggest, etc., that they have looked up or will look up an individual’s info. We do look up numbers from time to time in the course of our work but this info is for internal use only. > [@Coldfire](#): > > Given the new, sharper guidelines as pointed out by Ed Zotti, I can assure you it won’t happen again. Not by me, not by any staff member, barring the exceptions stressed. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/85 "2005-02-15T01:48:25Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **Xamatix** do you ever post about anything else? Jesus Christ, your precious **Aldebaran** acted like a jerk and was banned. No, that doesn’t justify **Lynn** ’s actions. It doesn’t justify HIS either. > > Learn a new song, this one’s getting old. No shit. **Xamatix** has 22 posts, and at least 17 of them are about Alde, and slagging on the Mods. What’s the point? Why would anyone pay $4.95 or $14.95 just to talk about the “mistreatment” of Alde? It’s clear **Xamatix** has an agenda. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/86 "2005-02-15T01:57:14Z")
**Xamantix** , you’ve been warned about this before. You’re establishing a trackrecord of just being here to complain about how horrible it is. This doesn’t serve you or the board well. Either widen your interests here or go back to lurking. If you continue with this, we won’t have any choice but to ban you. TVeblen Pit mod ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/87 "2005-02-15T02:02:09Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > No shit. **Xamatix** has 22 posts, and at least 17 of them are about Alde, and slagging on the Mods. What’s the point? Why would anyone pay $4.95 or $14.95 just to talk about the “mistreatment” of Alde? It’s clear **Xamatix** has an agenda. Holy shit-you and I actually AGREE on something! Should we check and see if Hitler’s wearing ice skates? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/88 "2005-02-15T03:25:54Z")
**Xamatix** , I ask you again please not to bring up my name anymore, as I cannot reply to your statements. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/89 "2005-02-15T03:32:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Holy shit-you and I actually AGREE on something! Should we check and see if Hitler’s wearing ice skates? > > 😉 Watch out for flying pigs! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/90 "2005-02-15T04:07:24Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > **Xamatix** , I ask you again please not to bring up my name anymore, as I cannot reply to your statements. > > Thanks. How’s that feel, anyway, having someone obsessed with you? May be a lesson to be learned in there. Too bad it’s too late for your personal obsession. ---
**Author:** ![1010011010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/ea666f/32.png) [@1010011010](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1010011010)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/91 "2005-02-15T04:08:31Z")
> [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > […]although a number of posts separated your post and my response, still they were on the same page[…] Posts-per-page is a user setting in vBulletin. So, this claim is not necessarily the case. > [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > You succeeded in determining that I was, in fact, talking to **you** , although I had failed utterly to provide any valuable hints or clues, such as your name in bolded lights. You’re right. The way in which I bold usernames is an affectation isolated only to me and used by no other members of this board. It is good of you to call attention to this, my personal folly, so that others may see the wisdom of your path. > [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > What you said was, “TubaDiva can and will rationalize around rules to do whatever she wants”. And I asked for a cite, to show exactly when you have perceived her doing this. > So far your cites are as follows: > > 1. The current dustup. > Well, okay. > That’s one. A accept your acknowledgement that you demanded a cite of something self-evident. > [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > That’s it? Yes, that’s all that’s necessary to answer your demand for a cite. Which is why it seemed a bit daft to demand a cite in the first place. Do you see? > [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > I was expecting you to have a list of TubaDiva’s many egregious violations tattooed on your forearm, and you’d just have to Copy and Paste it. **TubaDiva** as a username sticks in my mind only because it gets mentally misread as TubDiva and pulls up an image of TubGirl… singing opera. That’s pretty much all I have to say about **TubaDiva**. I have no opinion about her as a person. So I’m more than happy to accept your interpretation that she’s been the cat’s pajamas, the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the bee’s knees for six or more years. We can trust **TubaDiva** to do what she thinks is right. She should have her privileges revoked for exactly that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/92 "2005-02-15T14:42:06Z")
> [@Catsix](#): > > For thirty days. Then she gets back all of her rights. I guess you don’t fucking understand the word temporary…The mods and the admins, which Tuba will be again in 29 days? You really don’t get it do you? Temporary. As in, coming back with the same rights she had before. Thus still an admin. Wow. This is SO cool. I evidently know somebody who has ESP. And all this time I’ve been hanging around on JREF, and they keep tellin’ me there’s no such thing. Well, hey, Catsix, James Randi has a million dollars with your name on it. You write this prediction down, and you get on the horn to JREF, and you get the wheels turning to claim your moolah. _Damn_, this is exciting. BTW, as long as you’re here (if you don’t mind): Who’s going to win for Best Picture this year? Mind telling us? Or did Zotti give you some kind of secret inside information–he told you Tuba would be reinstated with full privileges in 29 days? Wow, what kind of pull do you HAVE, with the Admins, to get access to that kind of info? So, if you’ve got that kind of pull, huccome you’re in here pissin’ and moanin’ about the poor service you’re getting? Don’t they _know_ you’re Da Bomb? Or did you consult tarot cards or something? Oh, do tell, do. Inquiring minds want to know how YOU know that Tuba will be back, intact, in 29 days. P.S. I’m going to bookmark this thread, so I can come back in a month and revel in your newfound notoriety as Winner of the JREF Million Dollars. And it all started…here. Think of it. > [@Catsix](#): > > Maybe you oughta take your condescension down a few notches for a while Nahhh…I think actually I’ll ratchet it **up** a few notches; you’re such an easy target, see. Don’t get many chances to shoot fish in a barrel in the Pit like this. > [@Catsix](#): > > How sad for you. It must suck going through your life without a brain. Wow. There’s that ESP thing, kicking in again. That was EXACTLY what **I** was thinking. This is spooky. P.S. If you’ll check Zotti’s [Sticky](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206) again, you’ll find that the word “temporary” does not occur in it. It only says she’s “Suspended” for 30 days. “Suspended” at the SDMB doesn’t automatically mean “The poster will be back, intact, in 30 days”. You’re just ASSUMING that, but it ain’t necessarily so. See, that’s what you get when you rely on ESP for your information-gathering; it’s not really as reliable at amassing “facts” as plain old reading comprehension. But hey, nobody ever won a million dollars for reading comprehension, did they? > [@1010011010](#): > > So I’m more than happy to accept your interpretation that she’s been the cat’s pajamas, the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the bee’s knees for six or more years. We can trust **TubaDiva** to do what she thinks is right. She should have her privileges revoked for exactly that reason. Thank you, **Jeee-sus!!** He has SEEN the LIGHT!! Can I get an A-_MEN_? Hal-le-LU-jah!! [exits thread, rejoicing] ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/93 "2005-02-15T14:57:14Z")
> [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > [size=0]P.S. If you’ll check Zotti’s [Sticky](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206) again, you’ll find that the word “temporary” does not occur in it. It only says she’s “Suspended” for 30 days. “Suspended” at the SDMB doesn’t automatically mean “The poster will be back, intact, in 30 days”. Weeeeeell, typically, it does. You and I go way back but maybe you do want to dial it down just a wee bit in the event that you turn out to be wrong. Which, considering what a suspension often means (which is a _temporary_ loss of a job), is a distinct possibility. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/94 "2005-02-15T15:41:09Z")
Actually you stupid fucking twat, it does say thirty days. > [@](#): > > **Ed Zotti** said: > Accordingly, we’ve suspended Tuba as an SDMB administrator for 30 days and revoked her posting privileges for a like period. See that, **Duck Duck Goose** , the daft condescending asslicking bitch from hell? Maybe you should’ve read the fucking post before you linked to it to show me how ‘wrong’ I was. Fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/95 "2005-02-15T16:11:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > How’s that feel, anyway, having someone obsessed with you? May be a lesson to be learned in there. Too bad it’s too late for your personal obsession. She probably can’t reply to you, either. Nice job. > [@milroyj](#): > > No shit. **Xamatix** has 22 posts, and at least 17 of them are about Alde, and slagging on the Mods. What’s the point? Why would anyone pay $4.95 or $14.95 just to talk about the “mistreatment” of Alde? It’s clear **Xamatix** has an agenda. I’m not sure but I get the feeling that she’s his wife, which would explain her two-note solo. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/96 "2005-02-15T17:19:05Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Don’t like it? Feel free to piss off and find another message board where the staff will fawn all over you for your five bucks a year. Wow. Love it or leave it. The brilliance of that sentiment never fades, does it? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/97 "2005-02-15T17:36:32Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > She probably can’t reply to you, either. Nice job. _shrug_ It was a rhetorical question, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/98 "2005-02-15T17:38:47Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Wow. Love it or leave it. The brilliance of that sentiment never fades, does it? Yes. That’s exactly what I said. Love it or leave it. Oh wait, no it isn’t. What I actually said was that treating the mods and admins like your employees because you paid five bucks a year to post here makes you look like an asshole, and people who expect that kind of treatment should go look for it somewhere else because I find them irritating. Complain all you want, but once you play the “I’m The Customer!” card you look like the asshole in Walmart demanding 10% off his tube socks because the checkout girl rolled her eyes at him. So a more accurate translation would be “I could give a shit if you love it or don’t, so long as you don’t act like an annoying, self-important drama queen.” ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/99 "2005-02-15T17:49:26Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > [They] should go look for it somewhere else because I find them irritating." Why should they leave when you could do the same? If you find it “irritating,” it really wouldn’t be that tough to simply stop opening the clearly marked threads, let alone, responding to them. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/100 "2005-02-15T18:12:45Z")
Geez, you people. :rolleyes: It says “Suspended **for 30 days** ”. I KNOW that. God give me strength. It doesn’t SAY “temporarily” suspended. I am not wrong. If it said, “ **Tem. po. rar. i. ly** suspended”, that would be an indication that in the minds of the SDMB administration, _Tuba was going to be coming back._ If Zotti had gone out of his way to say it was a **tem. po. rar. y** suspension, THAT would mean she was coming back. Okay? It just says, “Suspended”. Period. Which they have told us MANY MANY MANY times means ONLY that… _they are THINKING about it._ It is…“suspended”. “In suspension”. Between two worlds. Hanging fire. They are mulling it over. They are discussing it. They are cogitating what to do. Is my point. Thank you to EVERYONE for totally missing it. Being so taken up with your hate agenda. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=6)