# Duck Duck Goose. TubaDiva evangelism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888 "2005-02-13T18:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/101 "2005-02-15T18:26:50Z")
Suspended **for 30 days**. Which means, after **30 days** she’s not suspended. That means, for anyone with basic reading comp, that it is tem.por.ary. Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/102 "2005-02-15T18:28:37Z")
> [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > Thank you to EVERYONE for totally missing it. Being so taken up with your hate agenda. You misquoted Ed. The actual goes goes “we’ve suspended Tuba as an SDMB **administrator** for 30 days and revoked her posting privileges for a like period.” I don’t know how else one can interpret that, as he makes it clear that once the 30 day suspension has concluded, TubDiva will return to the boards as an administrator complete with posting privileges. Ed had also preceded that comment with “the review having been completed” which suggests that the Chicago Reader is not “mulling it over.” ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/103 "2005-02-15T18:32:59Z")
> [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > Which they have told us MANY MANY MANY times means ONLY that… > > _they are THINKING about it._ > > It is…“suspended”. Unless you have read differently in e-mail communication with SDMB staff, your interpretation is contrived. Suspension with a given time limit – which is what we have here – is undoubtedly temporary in any normal context. Now, yes, minds could change in the intervening 30 days. That’s true, but hardly relevant. We can only deal in the facts we know right now. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/104 "2005-02-15T18:59:57Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > _shrug_ It was a rhetorical question, anyway. I wasn’t strictly referring to the question. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/105 "2005-02-15T19:37:38Z")
> [@](#): > > **Duck Duck Goose** said: > It says “Suspended for 30 days”. I KNOW that. God give me strength. > > It doesn’t SAY “temporarily” suspended. > > I am not wrong. So could you help me translate ‘for 30 days’ from condescending bitch into English? Because it’s obvious that ‘for 30 days’ means something to you that it doesn’t mean to the rest of the English speaking population of the world. > [@](#): > > Thank you to EVERYONE for totally missing it. Being so taken up with your hate agenda. Either be a salad-tosser like you or have a ‘hate agenda’ eh? Could you pull your tongue out of the mods’ collective asshole long enough to understand that ‘for 30 days’ does not mean ‘permanent change’? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/106 "2005-02-15T20:23:17Z")
not wanting to comment on the original topic at all (and staying way the fuck over here about the basic issue at hand as well), perhaps a small comment on the semantic issue that seems to have reared its head currently, between **catsix, & DDG**. I believe that **Zotti’s** post clearly states that **Tuba** is to be suspended from admin duties (except the Weird Earl and a few other tasks he outlined) and posting for 30 days. That would render it into (generally speaking) a “Temporary” suspension, where it is expected that after the 30 day period of time, her status would again revert to full admin (whatever that may mean by then) and posting abilities. Where I believe **DDG** may be focusing is that IIRC, there have been occasions (and I believe that **vanilla** was one, though I’m not willing to swear on it) where the _original_ announcement was “Suspended” (for a period of time) wherin the poster could request to be reinstated, but that the reinstatement wasn’t necessarily automatic, and in some cases the suspension actually went directly to ‘banned’. However that type of thing does not _appear_ (at least to me and most other posters) to be the case wrt **Tuba**. So while I believe that **catsix** is correctly interpreting **Zotti’s** remarks and the status of **Tuba** , that it is in all senses a ‘temporary’ and not expected to last past 30 days, IIRC, it is not w/o precedent that “suspension” (even w/a number of days attached) did not automatically mean that the poster was automatically reinstated, thus **DDG’s** belief that ‘we don’t know now’ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/107 "2005-02-15T20:30:18Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > There was the admin who opened a closed thread in order to get in a parting shot at people and snarkily laughed ‘tough shit, it’s my privilege.’ This part bothered me as well. If they don’t want discussion of the subject, then the admins/mods will have to resist the temptation to have the last word in threads that they lock for “inappropriate discussion”, or whatever you want to call it. If you don’t want people to argue about it, then don’t try to win the argument and **then** shut it down. Just shut it down. It seems to me. Oh, and **DDG** - maybe you wanna ease it back a notch, if you don’t mind my saying so. “Suspended for thirty days” **is** more or less synonymous with “temporarily suspended”. Maybe that decision will be changed sometime between now and then. I hope not, but for now, thirty days = temporary. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/108 "2005-02-15T20:32:29Z")
Oh hell, **wring** explained it better than me. Again. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![1010011010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/ea666f/32.png) [@1010011010](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1010011010)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/109 "2005-02-15T21:06:00Z")
> [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > > [@1010011010](#): > > > > So I’m more than happy to accept your interpretation that she’s been the cat’s pajamas, the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the bee’s knees for six or more years. We can trust TubaDiva to do what she thinks is right. She should have her privileges revoked for exactly that reason. > > Thank you, Jeee-sus!! He has SEEN the LIGHT!! Can I get an A-MEN? Hal-le-LU-jah!![exits thread, rejoicing] So you agree **TubaDiva** should have her privileges revoked? Or is it more likely that you simply didn’t bother to actually read what is written? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/110 "2005-02-15T21:10:55Z")
> [@1010011010](#): > > So you agree **TubaDiva** should have her privileges revoked? > Or is it more likely that you simply didn’t bother to actually read what is written? I’d say neither. Looks to me like fighting sarcasm with sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/111 "2005-02-15T23:34:47Z")
Perhaps what DDG should be arguing is that the 30-day suspension is more _preliminary_ in nature than _temporary_. If a 30-day suspension were followed by a decision to institute lifetime ban, it wouldn’t make the suspension any less temporary. But it would seem like less a slap on the wrist, no? There’s a small bit of evidence to suggest this, but it isn’t terribly compelling in the light of later comments by management. I get the sense that the deliberation is finished and the suspension will be 30 days, as stated, followed by reinstatement of privileges, as implied. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/112 "2005-02-16T00:37:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Perhaps what DDG should be arguing is that the 30-day suspension is more preliminary in nature than temporary. No, she should not be arguing this point at all. She should just concede, because she’s arguing a silly point and she’s wrong. Sam ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/113 "2005-02-16T02:58:29Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > No, she should not be arguing this point at all. She should just concede, because she’s arguing a silly point and she’s wrong. > > Sam She’s arguing it in a silly way, but that doesn’t make it a silly point. The language isn’t quite clear. At this moment, all we know that the suspension of privileges will last a minimum of 30 days. We can’t be 100% sure that the period won’t be extended or made permanent. This is a simple exercise in logic, nothing complicated about it. I agree that the most likely interpretation is a temporary 30-day suspension, but the wording of the announcement does allow for reasonable doubt. The only people being silly here are the ones who claim to know with certainty what’s going to happen when the 30 day period has expired. There’s simply no way to know, unless you have ESP. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/114 "2005-02-16T17:14:17Z")
> [@NattoGuy](#): > > She’s arguing it in a silly way, but that doesn’t make it a silly point. The language isn’t quite clear. At this moment, all we know that the suspension of privileges will last a minimum of 30 days. We can’t be 100% sure that the period won’t be extended or made permanent. This is a simple exercise in logic, nothing complicated about it. It is a silly point - there is nothing to lead us to believe that this suspension is anything buy temporary. ESPECIALLY since she is still listed a forum leader for ATMB. I don’t see how anyone can come to any other conclusion about Ed’s statement of “30-day suspension” but that it is temporary and at the end of the suspension period she will be re-instated in full. I can only hope that I’m proven to be wrong, but I highly doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/115 "2005-02-16T19:13:47Z")
good grief. let me suggest to one and all that the difference between: “absolutely **not possible** , 100% guarenteed” and “almost definately, most probably, most likely, damn likely” is really not worth quibbling about. Is it 100% \*\*impossible \*\*that the powers that be will change their minds? no. but is it likely? I’d say no, again. It seems that both sides agree that it’s at least most likely that the suspension will be for 30 days. move on. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/116 "2005-02-16T19:39:40Z")
> [@](#): > > move on damned lefty ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/117 "2005-02-16T19:57:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > damned lefty Fascist! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/118 "2005-02-17T02:48:54Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > damned lefty 😕 but Im right handed… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/119 "2005-02-17T05:02:18Z")
> [@wring](#): > > 😕 > but Im right handed… 😉 Ah, so right writes right? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888/120 "2005-02-17T18:27:46Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Ah, so right writes right? well I have heard that two wrongs make a right, so maybe two wrings make a wright? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/duck-duck-goose-tubadiva-evangelism/289888.md?page=7)