# Dude, if you're not sitting, don't use the stall **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367 "2012-10-20T22:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/61 "2012-10-22T06:21:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’m the guy who actually needs to use the toilet and having to wait behind a selfish idiot who should just be using the urinal, and likely also having to clean his piss off the seat and the rim too. How is that better than having to wipe up after the last person’s sweaty ass? Sometimes they don’t even bother to remove and flush the paper toilet seat condom. If the person using the stall before me only took a piss, I count myself lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/62 "2012-10-22T17:30:38Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I use the handicrapper because it’s so luxurious. Please read my above post. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/63 "2012-10-22T18:18:21Z")
Why do you hate people with invisible disabilities? We have enough to deal with, we don’t need the added burden of proving ourselves to you (and who died and made you King of the Handicapped Stall in the first place?). ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/64 "2012-10-22T18:24:47Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’m the guy who actually needs to use the toilet and having to wait behind a selfish idiot who should just be using the urinal, and likely also having to clean his piss off the seat and the rim too. Ya know, a real man would just go over, back up and and shit in the urinal. Bonus points if you hit the cake. Don’t shake your butt more than twice though or you’re playing with it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/65 "2012-10-22T18:33:28Z")
There was a guy in our building who was notorious for sneaking a peek at the urinal. We had a row of three urinals in one john, and of course the little pervert ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS took the middle one even when nobody was there. So when he was there, it was always the stall for me. He has since then thankfully retired, but if there is someone using one of the urinals, I’ll take a stall. And I lift the seat before going. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/66 "2012-10-22T18:56:02Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Why do you hate people with invisible disabilities? We have enough to deal with, we don’t need the added burden of proving ourselves to you (and who died and made you King of the Handicapped Stall in the first place?). What? If you are disabled, you don’t use the handicapped stalls because they are “luxurious”; you use them because you need them. I didn’t say anything about invisible disabilities. I don’t know what the hell you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/67 "2012-10-22T19:10:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No wasting 100 gallons of water for 4 oz of urine. A hundred gallons?? I NEED to get one of THOSE installed! ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/68 "2012-10-22T19:14:24Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Why do you hate people with invisible disabilities? We have enough to deal with, we don’t need the added burden of proving ourselves to you (and who died and made you King of the Handicapped Stall in the first place?). nm ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/69 "2012-10-22T20:03:08Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > So what? It’s there as a stall of **necessity** -regardless of who it is that needs it. The handicapped need it because they cannot access the regular stalls. The able-bodied need it because all the other options are occupied. Pretty simple. I confess that I sometimes use the disabled toilet at work, because it’s much newer and nicer than the other cubicles. However I don’t feel that bad about it because I know for a fact that there are no disabled people in my workplace. And if by chance we have a disabled visitor, well, there are two disabled toilets. If, by further chance, we have more than two disabled visitors at a given time, and they all have to piss at the same time, \*and \*I happen to be taking a shit in there at that precise moment, then they have my full blessing to beat on the door and call me an asshole. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/70 "2012-10-22T20:37:36Z")
I don’t get the outrage from the OP at all. I can at least understand able-bodied people crapping in the handicapped stall causing some issues if they’re going to occupy it for an extended period of time, but even if someone is using a stall, even a handicapped one, just to pee, you’re waiting all of maybe 45 seconds. If it takes longer than that, then he probably has a medical problem and needs the stall too. And why do you care if he stands or sits? Yeah, if he pisses all over the seat and leaves it that way, that’s gross and inconsiderate, but if he lifts the seat and/or wipes down after he’s done, does it really matter? If you have to sit and it bothers you that someone may have peed on the seat, wipe it down and either use a cover if they’re provided or cover it with TP if you have to. Personally, sure, I think guys that don’t have a legitimate need should just learn how to use a urinal properly. It seems a lot of guys that complain about splash back are either aiming at the wrong spot or using so much force unnecessarily. If you do it right, you won’t get any more splash than peeing in a toilet, and what there is will be on your hands which, since you’re so concerned about hygiene, you’ll be washing anyway, right? That all said, I still don’t care if people use the stall or urinal. Who am I to judge who has a legitimate use and who is just shy? Hell, maybe a guy is just having a bad day and wants a little bit of privacy for a few seconds. Again, the worst that happens is you’re stuck waiting a few seconds longer, and maybe have to wipe down the seat, which you’ll probably do anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/71 "2012-10-22T21:43:37Z")
[Male bathroom etiquette](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnOaMC8KHA4). ---
**Author:** ![humblebumble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@humblebumble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humblebumble)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/72 "2012-10-22T22:24:50Z")
It could be worse. Am I right? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/73 "2012-10-23T00:34:14Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > I confess that I sometimes use the disabled toilet at work, because it’s much newer and nicer than the other cubicles. However I don’t feel that bad about it because I know for a fact that there are no disabled people in my workplace. And if by chance we have a disabled visitor, well, there are two disabled toilets. If, by further chance, we have more than two disabled visitors at a given time, and they all have to piss at the same time, \*and \*I happen to be taking a shit in there at that precise moment, then they have my full blessing to beat on the door and call me an asshole. 🙂 I’ve said it before that in circumstances such as an office building or other non-public environments where no disabled people are employed, sure go ahead; who would ever be being deprived by such usage? Using a handicap stall (when regular stalls/urinals are available) in an office/work setting where no disabled people would need to use it is acceptable in my opinion. It is in public settings that I am discussing the matter, for the most part. However, even then, to do so is a bit troubling, imo, because it reinforces the notion that the stalls are there to be used for convenience instead of necessity. It seems likely that such a mentality would carry-over to other non-work situations involving such stalls too (for some people, at least). ---
**Author:** ![humblebumble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@humblebumble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humblebumble)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/74 "2012-10-23T00:37:02Z")
I love using handicapped stalls. They are more spacious. ---
**Author:** ![Pacific420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Pacific420](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pacific420)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/75 "2012-10-24T09:47:00Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > But it’s just so roomy! Plus you have that little bar in there to stabilize yourself, if you’ve had too much to drink. > > (sorry, I’m not really justifying it) Fool! Those bars aren’t for stabalizing…they’re there to grip when the turd is trying to exit sideways…:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/76 "2012-10-24T10:06:51Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Ya know, a real man would just go over, back up and and shit in the urinal. Bonus points if you hit the cake. Don’t shake your butt more than twice though or you’re playing with it. Don’t laugh…I’ve seen a urinal where someone did exactly this, and it wasn’t pretty ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/77 "2012-10-24T10:51:08Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I’ve said it before that in circumstances such as an office building or other non-public environments where no disabled people are employed, sure go ahead; who would ever be being deprived by such usage? At my office, we have 1 person with a noticeable handicap (that would involve using the bathroom, I’m assuming the guy missing an eye is just fine in a normal stall - although maybe it’s best if he _doesn’t_ use the urinals). We have, by my rough estimation, about 30 or so (male) handicap stalls in the building. The dude doesn’t work on my floor, so I pretty much don’t worry about it, but I occasionally wonder if it’s appropriate. alos, this: [Urinal Test - Drinknation.com](http://www.drinknation.com/fun/urinaltest) ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/78 "2012-10-24T11:56:58Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > For those who like to say “Why should I deprive myself of the luxury of using the handicap stall when I never even see a handicap person using it” or use other justifications for using the handicap stall when there are non-accessible options available for them, let me explain why you _should_ change your behavior. > > These stalls were created, and exist, in order to meet the needs of people who cannot use the standard facilities due to physical disabilities. If such people _weren’t_ out in the world, if they didn’t exist in the first place then the larger stalls meant to meet their needs wouldn’t exist either. _All_ the stalls would be the standard, smaller versions. > > Now before it is even brought up by others, let me say that in order to make room for these larger, accessible stalls, a number of the smaller stalls had to be taken out. So less able-bodied people are able to access and use the facilities at any given time, making it more likely that someone will not have such a stall available to them when they need it. Of course, in these situations, the handicapped stall serves as the “stall of necessity” that this able-bodied person can rely on when no other regular options are available. But not before. > > While a person may not see a disabled person in real life using the stalls, I guarantee you just about 100% of the disabled people who _do_ depend on such stalls are subjected to the senseless, selfish, rude and at times truly awful tendency of people using such stalls completely unnecessarily on a regular basis; thereby leaving them waiting outside the stall as they stare desperately at the rows of unused but unreachable toilets and urinals. And these stalls that the disabled person regularly is deprived of using (in a fair and sensical fashion) are stalls that are in existence _specifically to_ give those who cannot access the normal stalls an equal option. > > Everyone must occassionally wait to use a public restroom facility, that’s just life. I’m not suggesting or wanting the handicapped stalls to be reserved just for handicapped people. Not at all. What I do want is for people to change how they regard such stalls. Don’t view them as a luxury, view them as a necessity. Dude, just because you’re handicap doesn’t mean you can’t hold it like the rest of us shmoes. Like some one said upthread, I’m 42yo and can maybe count on one hand how many times I’ve actually seen a handicap person using those stalls. [FTR: I agree with your views on handicap parking.] ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/79 "2012-10-24T12:09:27Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Besides, sometimes you’re wearing shoes that you can’t afford to dribble piss all over. You are one of those one percenter sneak braggers aren’t you Mr. Fancy Pants “I’ve got shoes I shouldn’t piss on…” ? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/80 "2012-10-24T12:14:04Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Dude, just because you’re handicap doesn’t mean you can’t hold it like the rest of us shmoes. Seriously? Did you even read what you are responding to? Quote- “Everyone must occassionally wait to use a public restroom facility, that’s just life. I’m not suggesting or wanting the handicapped stalls to be reserved just for handicapped people. Not at all. What I do want is for people to change how they regard such stalls. Don’t view them as a luxury, view them as a necessity.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367.md?page=5)