# Dude, if you're not sitting, don't use the stall **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367 "2012-10-20T22:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/121 "2012-10-30T03:29:35Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > So do you get a handicap placard from your doctor to park in handicapped parking? Such hardships. > Fuck. Hemorrhoids are a nuisance that I deal with as a relatively insignificant side effect from my spinal cord injury and I would NEVER consider having them alone as a “disability”. I’m glad that as a member of the “disabled aristocracy” with your “visible handicaps” you don’t have to worry about a skeptical public whenever you use even minimal accommodations. But for you to go around demanding papers, like you were the disability secret police, or telling people what accommodations you _ **imagine** _ would or would not use if you were in their circumstances is truly reprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/122 "2012-10-30T04:58:10Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I’m glad that as a member of the “disabled aristocracy” with your “visible handicaps” you don’t have to worry about a skeptical public whenever you use even minimal accommodations. > > But for you to go around demanding papers, like you were the disability secret police, or telling people what accommodations you _ **imagine** _ would or would not use if you were in their circumstances is truly reprehensible. Oh please. Get some damn Preparation H and STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/123 "2012-10-30T13:10:39Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I was checking to see if someone was, indeed, in the stall. Some people think it’s hilarious to go into a stall, lock it, then crawl under the door or climb over the top, leaving a locked but empty stall. No, they don’t. > [@](#): > > Why did YOU assume that I was spying, instead of checking availability? There’s no excuse for trying to look at someone on the toilet without their consent. None. If the door’s locked, the toilet isn’t available. That’s what the lock is _for_. > [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I don’t know…the fact that no one’s made you the toilet cop. > > One day you’re going to find yourself facing a Peeping Tammy charge, and you’ll have no one but yourself yourself to blame, you nosy little pervert. Well said. > [@Ambivalid](#): > > I knew exactly what you meant. I have to do this pretty much every time (or a large percentage of the time) I need to use the bathroom in public. Don’t pay any mind to **Kimmy Gibbler** , she has a habit of declaring people “toilet cops”. She also considers herself “disabled” because she has the tendency to develop hemorroids (her words, not mine). No you don’t. You never have to do it. You just do so because you like to play the martyr. > [@Ambivalid](#): > > Oh please. Get some damn Preparation H and STFU. Oh please. Wait your turn and STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/124 "2012-10-30T13:14:19Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I think this is the first time I’m agreeing with Debaser about anything. > > So … > > +1! Oh, come on. I saw you right there next to me at that “Everything’s Just Fine” rally last week. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/125 "2012-10-30T13:20:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Now, I know this all stems from not too long ago, when Mumseydearesy caught you two scalawags playing “sword fight” with your tiny tinklers. She screamed and called you a naughty, nasty, filthy little child. And, there was punishment, but since this is not one of “those” message boards we will simply mention the wire hangers and leave it at that. You have since then thought of all “bathroom functions” and indeed your own 'equipment" as "nasty & filthy. " Poor guy- therapy _is_ \*\*so \*\*expensive. Wow. Project much? You seriously sound like you have some deep rooted issues here. > [@](#): > > But let me abuse you of a few notions. Altho you will not splash the other dude’s urine on you if you tinkle in _his_ tinkle juice, you _will:_ Yes… We all get a little pee on us from time to time. I’m fine with that. However, to take this to it’s illogical extreme that we might as well all stop flushing is just fucking dumb. I mean, since you’ve got piss all over the floor of your house anyway, would you mind if I show up and piss on your rug? For Fuck’s sake, flush the damn toilet. I know four year olds that have mastered this concept already you lazy, sick fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/126 "2012-10-30T14:36:43Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No, they don’t. Yes, actually they do. Usually kids or teens. One of the things the cleaning people at the big box store my employer rents space from get to do is to unlock such stalls. It’s not a daily occurrence, but it does happen. Kids also think it’s hysterical to do at the local movie theater as well, extra points for doing it just before a movie lets out. Apparently, you live in a world without teenagers. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/127 "2012-10-30T15:21:51Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No, they don’t. > . Actually, yes they do. Mostly kids, true, but I have even caught them doing it. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/128 "2012-10-30T15:47:58Z")
Sometimes doors will swing closed on their own. Some stalls in my office building do this. The stall looks occupied but it’s just because the door swung back into the frame. Especially the handicapped stalls. I think it’s because their doors swing outward, and they are designed to swing back close to the frame so that they’re not sticking out into the bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/129 "2012-10-30T16:51:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Wait your turn and STFU. I don’t even know what you are addressing here. 😕 “Wait my turn”? Yep, I do; just like everyone else (usually a helluva lot more). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/130 "2012-10-30T18:09:20Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Wow. Project much? You seriously sound like you have some deep rooted issues here. > > Yes… We all get a little pee on us from time to time. I’m fine with that. However, to take this to it’s illogical extreme that we might as well all stop flushing is just fucking dumb. I mean, since you’ve got piss all over the floor of your house anyway, would you mind if I show up and piss on your rug? > > For Fuck’s sake, flush the damn toilet. I know four year olds that have mastered this concept already you lazy, sick fuck. So, what is your \*rational \*reason for flushing a urinal _every time_? ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/131 "2012-10-30T18:15:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So, what is your \*rational \*reason for flushing a urinal _every time_? Wait, are you advocating not flushing a toilet after use? ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/132 "2012-10-30T18:32:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes, actually they do. Usually kids or teens. One of the things the cleaning people at the big box store my employer rents space from get to do is to unlock such stalls. It’s not a daily occurrence, but it does happen. Kids also think it’s hysterical to do at the local movie theater as well, extra points for doing it just before a movie lets out. > > Apparently, you live in a world without teenagers. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Actually, yes they do. Mostly kids, true, but I have even caught them doing it. Yeah, I’d say it’s mostly teens or kids. Some kids and teens think it’s hilarious, and they are flexible enough to do it. Ever wonder what the shallow slot on the outside of the lock is for? It’s to move the lock from the outside, so that an employee can unlock the door from the outside without crawling under or climbing over the door. Just put a quarter in the slot, turn, and the lock is unlocked. This is also the reason for having that sort of skeleton in a lock, the sort where it’s possible for a person to just put a finger into it and lock or unlock the door from either side. This skeleton is apparently just the insides of the lock, without the nice round metal covers on it. I tried Googling for images, but apparently I need more tea. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/133 "2012-10-30T19:07:17Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Wait, are you advocating not flushing a toilet after use? Let me make this clear again. Not a toilet, but a _mens urinal_. Obviously that is only after being used for urination, not a BM. But yes. There is no rational reason to flush a urinal after every use. A few times a day is all. Urine is sterile. It’s true that “four year olds that have mastered this concept “ but that’s because 4yo don’t use urinals all that often, and it is important to teach a child to flush. Later, after he becomes more reasoning we can show him when not to flush. Every reason to not flush is rooting in that childhood toilet training, where we were taught that “poo & pee are dirty and nasty”. But we are no longer children. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/134 "2012-10-30T19:17:18Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But yes. There is no rational reason to flush a urinal after every use. A few times a day is all. Urine is sterile. Urine may be germ-free, but it’s not odor-free. One rational reason to flush is so that the bathroom doesn’t stink like urine. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/135 "2012-10-30T19:22:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Every reason to not flush is rooting in that childhood toilet training, where we were taught that “poo & pee are dirty and nasty”. But we are no longer children. Ummm, poo & pee are still dirty and nasty. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/136 "2012-10-30T19:27:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Let me make this clear again. Not a toilet, but a _mens urinal_. Obviously that is only after being used for urination, not a BM. …and here comes the backpedaling. How predictable. Fortunately we can go back and read your posts to see what you actually said. In post #52 you clearly state “In a toilet…” flushing isn’t needed for “just urine” and that this also holds true for a urinal. [QUOTE=DrDeth] In a toilet- well, I concede if you are going to have a BM, then you might want to flush before using. But if you are just going to urinate (and this holds for a urinal) then your urine is not special and precious, it can join his. [/quote] So the rest of your post is just bullshit when you start making logical arguments not to piss in a urinal, because you didn’t say urinals you specifically said toilets. However, as others have already pointed out: Even if we accept your amended argument that it’s just urinals that you are too lazy and stupid to bother to flush you are still an inconsiderate jerk for leaving your stinking piss for the next person to smell. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/137 "2012-10-30T20:21:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Urine is sterile. False. Pure urine from a perfectly healthy person extracted directly from the bladder is sterile. Urine that has been expelled through urination can pick up all kinds of microbes that tend to live in the crotch area. How much do you want to bet that _no one_ who has used a particular men’s toilet in the course of a day was perfectly healthy? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/138 "2012-10-30T22:21:44Z")
Sure. But it’s no worse that their dirty hands on the sink faucets. I mean, I am not suggesting you drink it, wash your hands in it or in any way come in contact with it. But if it’s sitting in a porcelain bowl it’s not going to leap out and attack you. You will not get other dudes urine on you by peeing where they peed. You hands are the dirty part, not urine. To reiterate yet again: Toilet, which has urine in it that is not yours, and all you’re going to do is pee, then there’s no reason to flush before using. One should usually flush a toilet after using. Urinal: no rational reason to flush before or after use. Yes, there is some smell. But I like the way nature smells, and if it’s a choice between a toilet or the outdoors, I’d prefer we preserve the outdoors- by not wasting water. ---
**Author:** ![C6541](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90db22/32.png) [@C6541](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C6541)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/139 "2012-10-30T22:45:19Z")
_If_ I could piss at the urinal with a bunch of strangers, I assure you I would. But I seriously cannot get my bladder to function at the urinal no matter how hard I try, so I have to use a stall. It’s only like a 30-60 second wait, I fail to see why it’s a big deal… ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367/140 "2012-10-30T22:45:24Z")
DrDeth, I appreciate your passion, but you still haven’t won me over. Besides most of the water from the urinal and the toilet gets treated in your local wastewater treatment plant and then put back into the water lines to be used again. I’m happy to pay that fee monthly so I don’t have to let my bathroom smell like _nature_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dude-if-youre-not-sitting-dont-use-the-stall/638367.md?page=8)