# DudleyGarrett, you're a plag\[i\]arist and a coward **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227 "2009-09-15T20:48:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/41 "2009-09-15T23:40:40Z")
[quote=“Bosstone, post:40, topic:510227”] Oh, _good_, another Prissy McSweetpants determined to clean up the Pit.[/QUOT Ah yes. The personal insult. The last bastion of the clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/42 "2009-09-15T23:42:38Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Oh, _good_, another Prissy McSweetpants determined to clean up the Pit. No, what this is is an asshole defending another asshole. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/43 "2009-09-15T23:43:52Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > No, what this is is an asshole defending another asshole. Well, Frank, if anyone knows about assholes, it would be you. Oh and btw, I didn’t defend Dudley. I called out Oakminster for having a thin skin and for escalating in the first place. So, while I may be an asshole, I’m not defending another asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/44 "2009-09-15T23:46:51Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Well, Frank, if anyone knows about assholes, it would be you. > > Shall we continue the dance? _shrug_ I don’t care. I may get bored. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/45 "2009-09-15T23:47:32Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > How about “let it go” or taking the high road. > > The way I see it is that someone who comes here and whines about something like this looks -just as bad- as the person they’re complaining about. So, let’s say I see you pissing on the sidewalk. I call the cops and report it. I then yell “Hey, quit pissing on the sidewalk”. You yell something like “Fuck Off, I can’t hear you lalala”. I then become the bad guy for telling you you’re an asshole? That’s how things work in your world? Interesting. Reckon I’ll pass on your newsletter, though. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/46 "2009-09-15T23:47:41Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No question on the moderation, but isn’t the content of a Private Message supposed to be, you know, _private_? > [@Miller](#): > > So far as I’m aware, there’s no rule requiring it be so. **Miller** is correct, there is no requirement. The lesson here, boys and girls, is that a moderator can issue a warning when you cuss him or her out, regardless of whether you do it on the Boards, in a PM, or in an email. Again, it is your choice whether or not to get abusive with a mod, but you should remember that there may well be consequences if you decide to go for it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/47 "2009-09-15T23:47:48Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Ah yes. The personal insult. The last bastion of the clueless. Irony or idiocy: you make the call! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/48 "2009-09-15T23:55:58Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Oh and btw, I didn’t defend Dudley. I called out Oakminster for having a thin skin and for escalating > in the first place. So, while I may be an asshole, I’m not defending another asshole. Ahem. > [@tacoloco](#): > > Unless Dudley claimed that the jokes were of his own creation, you’re full of shit. > \*\* > People find jokes on the net and post or forward them all the time. It doesn’t rise to the level of plagiarism.\*\* > > If someone had started shit with me over stuff like this, you can expect to get an ass reaming from me. > > Free advice: don’t start shit with people if you’re not prepared to get some back. And it doesn’t have to be a ‘fair fight’ either. The part I bolded is not defending? [JesusChristSuperstar] _It doesn’t help us if you’re inconsistent_. (Guitar twang)[/JesusChristSuperstar] ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/49 "2009-09-15T23:58:39Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > [JesusChristSuperstar] _It doesn’t help us if you’re inconsistent_. (Guitar twang)[/JesusChristSuperstar] They only need a small mistake, to put us all away. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/50 "2009-09-15T23:58:42Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So, let’s say I see you pissing on the sidewalk. I call the cops and report it. I then yell “Hey, quit pissing on the sidewalk”. You yell something like “Fuck Off, I can’t hear you lalala”. I then become the bad guy for telling you you’re an asshole? That’s how things work in your world? Yeah, because real world analogies always work when it comes to message boards. There was no reason for you to be a dick to Dudley, except your apparent need to be an officious prick. And they you act like it’s this great offense that you didn’t get to respond to Dudley in kind. Grow a thicker skin. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/51 "2009-09-16T00:07:03Z")
Oh FFS, Oakminster. I wasn’t defending Dudley IN PARTICULAR. In general, people don’t bother to fucking source some jokes. It isn’t an intent to deceive or claim it as original. This is plagiarism: Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the “use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one’s own original work.” > **[Plagiarism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism)** > > Plagiarism is the fraudulent representation of another person's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions as one's own original work. Although precise definitions vary depending on the institution, in many countries and cultures plagiarism is considered a violation of academic integrity and journalistic ethics, as well as social norms around learning, teaching, research, fairness, respect, and responsibility. As such, a person or entity that is determined to have committed plagiarism Plagiarism ... Posting jokes on a message board without a source does not rise to the level of plagiarism. At worst, it’s lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/52 "2009-09-16T00:17:02Z")
**tacoloco** , last time I checked, you shared them by linking to them, and saying, “Hey, I found this online, blah blah”, not by just cutting and pasting. That’s ALWAYS been the rule, as long as I’ve been here. And **Dudley** ’s certainly been here long enough to know that as well. Maybe plagarism is an exaggeration, but I don’t think your shit throwing at **Oakminster** is required here. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/53 "2009-09-16T00:22:05Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > There was no reason for you to be a dick to Dudley, except your apparent need to be an officious prick. And they you act like it’s this great offense that you didn’t get to respond to Dudley in kind. > > Grow a thicker skin. All I said to **Dudley** prior to this pitting was: > [@Me](#): > > Yeah, plagarism is hillarious. > > [One of many hits from a quick google](http://www.awesomeopolis.com/2009/08/20/what-would-happen-if-you-ran-over-a-ninja/) Apparently that was a devastating blow to his pysche or something, because he responded with this charming PM: \*DudleyGarrett DudleyGarrett is online now Guest Join Date: Apr 2007 Hey Go fuck yourself. I didn’t write that list claiming it was my own. I thought it was funny and wanted to share. I certainly wasn’t trying to rip anyone off. You smug fucking asshole devoid of a sense of humor. \* I figure I oughta get to call him an asshole back, but I can’t, because he had his PMs turned off. So I pitted him. And I enjoyed pitting him. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/54 "2009-09-16T00:22:19Z")
And just about \*everything \ ***oakminster** has shared in this lifetime has been original. He has cites and gives credit for all else, beginning with “Momma”. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/55 "2009-09-16T00:24:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **tacoloco** , last time I checked, you shared them by linking to them, and saying, “Hey, I found this online, blah blah”, not by just cutting and pasting. That’s ALWAYS been the rule, as long as I’ve been here. And **Dudley** ’s certainly been here long enough to know that as well. Which is fine. But that’s something to report and not make wild assed comments about plagiarism. The claim of plagiarism is exactly what set off a shit storm. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/56 "2009-09-16T00:28:26Z")
lol great thread ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/57 "2009-09-16T00:35:05Z")
Oh I think it may get better. I understand the Guest of Honor intends to defend himself at some point, once he resolves mysterious technical difficulties preventing him from posting. He also claims the he can’t send PMs. I assume that would include the PM he sent me that I posted above. Little birdy told me there’s something posted elsewhere about it. Note that I will not be appearing elsewhere, nor should anyone on my behalf, please. I’m gonna grab a beer and make some popcorn, but I will be taking a break to watch _Warehouse 13_ shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/58 "2009-09-16T00:38:49Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > He also claims the he can’t send PMs. I assume that would include the PM he sent me that I posted above. I had, with no evidence, assumed for years that disabling PMs meant that one could no longer send PMs as well as receive them. I’ve got to assume that both you and **twickster** have found out differently. I’ll test. I will turn off my PMs, and then try to send you one. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/59 "2009-09-16T00:46:09Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I had, with no evidence, assumed for years that disabling PMs meant that one could no longer send PMs as well as receive them. I’ve got to assume that both you and **twickster** have found out differently. > > I’ll test. I will turn off my PMs, and then try to send you one. I cannot send PMs with it turned off. I can send them, and then turn it off. Which I’ve now done. **Oakminster** , feel free to post it here. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227/60 "2009-09-16T00:46:49Z")
The worst crime here is that the list wasn’t funny… OK maybe ‘regards’ was funny, but the rest weren’t. Anyway, the source you cited plagiarised the material itself. The ‘firsthand’ source is from [ruminations.com](http://www.ruminations.com/site/index.php?sort=mostgourmet&range=0), where each list item comes from a single author. How many of these do you think were really the originator of the material, rather than just recounting it on the understanding that almost all jokes are secondhand, and that the source is unknown? I’ve not cited jokes I’ve told here before, and no sanctimonious idiot has rounded on me for it. **DudleyGarrett** ’s PM was ill considered, but I can understand his motivation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dudleygarrett-youre-a-plag-i-arist-and-a-coward/510227.md?page=4)