# Dukes of Hazard dropped from TV Land schedule
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [July 1, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962 "2015-07-01T16:05:18Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@tullsterx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tullsterx)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/21 "2015-07-01T20:48:05Z")
So you think people that we watching the Duke of Hazzard before. . . (consider that person). . . would stop watching because of the current confederate flag uproar. . . it’s a pretty irrational decision.
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### Author:  [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/22 "2015-07-01T20:48:13Z")
By what standards isn’t the Confederate flag a terrorist symbol? The rebel army demanded $300,000 from Frederick Maryland or they would burn it to the ground; as they marched through Union territory they rounded up black people and sent them south to be enslaved. Sure sounds like Isis tactics to me.
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/23 "2015-07-01T21:37:39Z")
> [@madmonk28](#):
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> By what standards isn’t the Confederate flag a terrorist symbol? The rebel army demanded $300,000 from Frederick Maryland or they would burn it to the ground; as they marched through Union territory they rounded up black people and sent them south to be enslaved. Sure sounds like Isis tactics to me.
…and the Hazzard boys drive off a cliff; tune in next week to see how they survive.
What flag were those atrocities committed under? The official flag of the CSA is one thing; the battle standards carried by various armies and divisions (of which the “stars and bars” is just one) are others.
I guess you can say that the acts were committed by the CSA, and “under” its flag, but I don’t remember the last time I saw a real CSA flag flying, nor has there been the slightest controversy about it that I can think of.
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### Author:  [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/24 "2015-07-01T22:21:45Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#):
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> …and the Hazzard boys drive off a cliff; tune in next week to see how they survive.
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> What flag were those atrocities committed under? The official flag of the CSA is one thing; the battle standards carried by various armies and divisions (of which the “stars and bars” is just one) are others.
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> I guess you can say that the acts were committed by the CSA, and “under” its flag, but I don’t remember the last time I saw a real CSA flag flying, nor has there been the slightest controversy about it that I can think of.
I have to ask, why do you think which flag matters? Every Confederate flag is a terrorist symbol that was by antiAmerican forces intent on enforcing a white supremacist agenda; but for some reason, slavery apologists cling to the fact that there was more than one confederate flag as the ultimate gotcha. Why does it matter which flag?
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/25 "2015-07-01T22:31:32Z")
> [@madmonk28](#):
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> I have to ask, why do you think which flag matters? Every Confederate flag is a terrorist symbol that was by antiAmerican forces intent on enforcing a white supremacist agenda; but for some reason, slavery apologists cling to the fact that there was more than one confederate flag as the ultimate gotcha. Why does it matter which flag?
If that’s how you see it, I won’t argue. I’ve always had a bit of peeve about people arguing for/against “the Confederate Flag” when they were really talking about something else.
I don’t see the actual CSA flag as being quite as tainted as the stars’n’bars, because the former is a proper part of history - unpleasant history, yes - while the latter is almost entirely a 1960s symbol of race hate and civil rights opposition.
But if you want to hate on the whole thing, I can’t say you’re wrong.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/26 "2015-07-01T22:34:03Z")
A rather stupid and inane gesture. The Dukes never in any way promoted racism. A couple good ole boys that simply gave boss Hogg and sheriff Rosco P Coltrane trouble.
talk about over reaching.
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### Author:  [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/27 "2015-07-01T22:36:50Z")
Since Firefly was a space western with the protag being a former separatist soldier I’m guessing it gets pulled next?
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### Author:  [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/28 "2015-07-01T22:52:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> A couple good ole boys that simply gave boss Hogg and sheriff Rosco P Coltrane trouble.
…but, but, but they utilized BLIEDs (Bow Launched Improvised Explosive Devices) in their insurgency against the democratically elected leadership and security forces of the county!!!
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### Author:  [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/29 "2015-07-01T22:55:58Z")
Relevant thread from 12 years ago: [Black kids of the 80’s; Did you watch “The Dukes of Hazzard”?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=196295)
Kid of silly. I too am all for abolishing this stupid flag. But let’s not cut off our noses to spite our face. Just reading over that thread, DoH had plenty of black children that enjoyed the show. I think we can give DoH a pass unless anyone can provide proof that the characters were indeed racist.
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### Author:  [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/30 "2015-07-01T23:33:59Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#):
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> Okay, funny I guess, but… the roof of a '69 Charger is a good eighteen inches below the eye level of the actors. What did they do, crawl into it drunk?
Yeah, there was some convoluted writing that set up how they didn’t see the roof. I can not promise to rewatch it to refresh my memory as to the specifics.
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### Author:  [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/31 "2015-07-02T00:00:00Z")
I always figured Bo and Luke were just two good old boys never meaning no harm.
I liked the show, and I think it’s probably a stupid kneejerk decision by TV Land, but it’s also not unusual that TV networks make stupid kneejerk decisions.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/32 "2015-07-02T00:01:17Z")
It’s probably also not going to be permanent. I wouldn’t be surprised if, a year from now, they’ve quietly slipped it back into rotation.
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### Author:  [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/33 "2015-07-02T00:07:37Z")
I wouldn’t have any problem with them using CGI to block out the flag or to mute “Lee” whenever the General Lee is referred to.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/34 "2015-07-02T00:08:46Z")
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> Quoth **Amateur Barbarian** :
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> I don’t see the actual CSA flag as being quite as tainted as the stars’n’bars, because the former is a proper part of history - unpleasant history, yes - while the latter is almost entirely a 1960s symbol of race hate and civil rights opposition.
Beg pardon? The flag of the CSA _was_ the [Stars and Bars](http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html).
As for the Dukes of Hazzard, just why were they bearing a white supremacist emblem on the roof of their car? One could argue that maybe they didn’t actually have anything against blacks… but such an argument would be quite difficult, considering the number of black people actually seen on the show. If Hazzard was, as it appears to have been, a sundown community, then yes, the show is racist.
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/35 "2015-07-02T00:34:12Z")
They should stop running the stupid show and replace it with clips of all the scenes where Catherine Bach bends over. I would be glued to my sofa. So to speak.
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/36 "2015-07-02T00:35:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> Beg pardon? The flag of the CSA _was_ the [Stars and Bars](http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html).
My bad. I had that name attached to the orange/cross design.
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### Author:  [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/37 "2015-07-02T00:41:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> As for the Dukes of Hazzard, just why were they bearing a white supremacist emblem on the roof of their car? One could argue that maybe they didn’t actually have anything against blacks… but such an argument would be quite difficult, considering the number of black people actually seen on the show. If Hazzard was, as it appears to have been, a sundown community, then yes, the show is racist.
In the 1970s, especially in the south, but not only in the south, there was a lot of Confederate flag symbolism. A lot of it probably was racist, but a lot more of it wasn’t…the flag was used as a symbol of rebellion, or resistance to authority, or general “fuck the Man” sentiment. Here’s a bit from the Atlantic, which, while it’s about the current attitudes about the flag, and mentions how the Dukes of Hazzard helped normalize it, also points out that, in the 60s and 70s, the Klan and Dixiecrats helped revive the flag:
> **[How Pop Culture Tried to Neutralize the Confederate Flag](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/06/confederate-flag-pop-culture-phenomenon/396596/)**
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> What does it mean to “remove” this symbol of the Confederacy when it's become such a familiar part of American life—through songs, clothing, and a Dodge Charger known as the General Lee?
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> But so did the public more broadly—people who identified themselves not as racists, but as rebels of a broader stripe. By the 1960s, the journalist Keith Coulbourn observed, the flag had become a symbol of “simple rebellion, the degenerate form of any nameless revolt, indeed for any anomic nut with a generalized gripe.” As one Kansas man explained to a reporter: “We fly the rebel flag because it’s our belief—to be able to do what you want to do.” (He added, emphatically if redundantly: “We’re 100 percent rebel.”) A popular souvenir of the Civil War Centennial, John M. Coski notes in The Confederate Battle Flag: America’s Most Embattled Emblem, was a Confederate soldier figurine uttering the lines, “Hell, no, I’ll never forget!”
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> The keepsake rebel was draped in the flag.
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> Around the time of the Centennial, Coski points out, the flag adopted, in addition to everything else, another strain of symbolism. It came to represent not just the rebel, but also the “good ol’ boy”—the kind of benign strain of Southernness that one might today associate with Jeff Foxworthy’s comedy and Cracker Barrel’s dining establishments. The flag’s historical connection to the Civil War gave way to a broader connection with Southern culture, making the flag, as Coski puts it, “an effective symbol for the fierce independence and individual rebelliousness common to all these types of people.”
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> “Sweet Home Alabama,” which remains an anthem of Southern whiteness, was released in 1974 (complete with a flag-waving album cover). Tom Petty would unfurl a Confederate flag during shows as he sang the lyrics to 1985’s “Rebels”:
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> Hey hey hey, I was born a rebel
> Down in Dixie
> On a Sunday morning
> One foot in the grave, one foot on the pedal
> I was born a rebel.
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/38 "2015-07-02T00:48:52Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> It’s probably also not going to be permanent. I wouldn’t be surprised if, a year from now, they’ve quietly slipped it back into rotation.
Me, neither. I also noticed that when TV Land dropped the Cosby Show due to the charges of drugging and sexual assault of women against Bill Cosby, Cozi TV continued nightly airings of I Spy, which also starred Cosby, and continued to air the show for months afterward. The Dukes of Hazzard won’t be off the air for good.
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### Author:  [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/39 "2015-07-02T00:57:40Z")
Guess _Animal House_ can’t be shown either. Confederate flag on a dorm room wall.
Also, [Tom Petty](http://muzyka.kulichki.net/tom_petty/tom_petty1.jpg) will need to be interrogated and [possibly reeducated](https://youtu.be/OoV-awiHpuM) before his old concerts can be shown.
And I can’t sell [my](http://s.ecrater.com/stores/64059/4829e7607a340_64059n.jpg) [old](http://pds1.egloos.com/pds/1/200510/29/24/c0039224_2342093.jpg) [comic](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110902235804/marvel_dc/images/f/f8/GI_Combat_Vol_1_279.jpg) [books](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/3/31666/2366065-cover.jpg) on eBay?
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### Author:  [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dukes-of-hazard-dropped-from-tv-land-schedule/723962/40 "2015-07-02T01:14:57Z")
As **Captain Amazing** points out, in the 70s, and actually well into the mid-80s, the rebel flag was a common [pop culture](http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/brendala/18379288/142697/original.jpg) [image](http://40.media.tumblr.com/bbe37ae26f850457663c22646dafddc5/tumblr_mezbncAdn81rmiziuo1_1280.jpg). I lived through those times, and I don’t recall anyone back then voicing any objection to the flag.
The first notes of discontent about the flag that I recall were in the late 1980s. Maybe someone can find some earlier protest or complaint about it, but I kind of doubt it.
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