# Dumb Star Trek (TOS) question

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dumb-star-trek-tos-question/687505>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [May 2, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dumb-star-trek-tos-question/687505 "2014-05-02T14:55:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dumb-star-trek-tos-question/687505/61 "2014-05-07T10:31:46Z")

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> [@gnoitall](#):
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> In the TOS era, Enterprise and other vessels moved at warp factors in excess of 10 [pretty often](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_factor#Warp_ten_and_above), even if under extraordinary circumstances.
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> It’s been hand-waved/fan-wanked/retconned. The primary “canon” handwave is that between TOS and TNG “they” “redefined” Warp 10 as “infinity and beyond” or something like that.

And apparently that will / has changed too.  
I distinctly remember an episode set in the future where Riker is captain of a starship and he says something like “Let’s do this the old-fashioned way…warp 13!”

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**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dumb-star-trek-tos-question/687505/62 "2014-05-07T15:38:28Z")

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> [@Mijin](#):
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> And apparently that will / has changed too.  
> I distinctly remember an episode set in the future where Riker is captain of a starship and he says something like “Let’s do this the old-fashioned way…warp 13!”

“Yeah. No school like the old school.” " Right!"

I never was sure if Riker saying that in \*All Good Things \*was a mistake or a wink/nod that in the Future they’d changed the scale again. The writers made a mistake with the basic premise - the backwards-through-time anomaly - so who can say?

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**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dumb-star-trek-tos-question/687505/63 "2014-05-07T15:41:58Z")

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> [@Mijin](#):
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> And apparently that will / has changed too.  
> I distinctly remember an episode set in the future where Riker is captain of a starship and he says something like “Let’s do this the old-fashioned way…warp 13!”

Yeah, but that was the finale “All Good Things,” which is only a possible future.

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