# Dune (Film) Post-release thread (open spoilers from film) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991 "2021-10-22T09:11:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/421 "2021-12-09T15:37:49Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > He cut through a lot of the endless philosophizing and got to the action. i.e. completely misses the point of the original > [@](#): > > Plus he gave the full story of Norma Cenva I’ll take the dry two-page Dune Encyclopedia entry on Cevna over the prequel dreck, any day. > [@JohnT](#): > > Excuse us. We are the pitchfork- _weirding_ crowd, tyvm. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/422 "2021-12-16T02:38:54Z")
Denis Villeneuve’s directorial followup to Dune 2 will be an adaptation of Rendesvous with Rama. > **[Denis Villeneuve to Direct Adaptation of Sci-Fi Novel ‘Rendezvous With Rama’...](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/denis-villeneuve-rendezvous-with-rama-1235134136/)** > > Having left an indelible imprint on Arrakis with his acclaimed adaptation of Frank Herbert’s “Dune,” Denis Villeneuve will journey deeper into the science fiction canon. Alcon Ent… Having seen what he’s done with Dune, he’s definitely the right director for the job - he’ll do a great job capturing the immensity and alien-ness of Rama. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/423 "2021-12-16T04:21:11Z")
He is apparently aiming to be King of the Nerds. I like it. The guy does good sci fi. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/424 "2021-12-16T14:53:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Denis Villeneuve’s directorial followup to Dune 2 will be an adaptation of Rendesvous with Rama. But instead of making two movies, like Dune, RWR will be three movies. You know why… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/425 "2021-12-22T18:41:39Z")
I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/426 "2021-12-22T18:59:57Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > But instead of making two movies, like Dune, RWR will be three movies. > > You know why… I get the reference, but… God, I hope not. I’d rather see Villeneuve tackle the Brian Herbert Dune books before he tried to adapt the shit-show the Rama books turned into after the first one. ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/427 "2021-12-22T19:10:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Denis Villeneuve’s directorial followup to Dune 2 will be an adaptation of Rendesvous with Rama. Don’t. RWR is a great book for ideas, but nothing interesting happens. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/428 "2021-12-22T20:01:09Z")
> [@eburacum45](#): > > RWR is a great book for ideas, but nothing interesting happens. I agree…to a point. So much of nothing happened in RWR that I felt cheated. But, it would certainly be great eye candy. I’d love to see a travelogue of Rama. For that matter, I’d love to see a Ringworld film, and I think it has even less plot than RWR ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/429 "2021-12-23T15:31:42Z")
I’m glad to learn I wasn’t the only one underwhelmed by _RWR_. I’ve never understood all the love for it - among Clarke’s work alone, _2001, 2010, Childhood’s End, A Fall of Moondust_ and _The Fountains of Paradise_ are all better books IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/430 "2022-01-23T20:34:09Z")
I also do not understand how RWR can be a movie. I think it’s a very interesting (if low key) book, but cinema is driven by stakes and action — not pew-pew action necessarily, just things being done in service to some objective. I don’t see that in RWR, at all. Re Dune, there was no HBO streaming option in my location in Europe, and I haven’t been in a cinema since December 2019, so I had to wait for disc. I got the 4k a little while ago, and I’ve watched the movie three times in a week. I think it’s utterly magnificent, a master class in focused adaptation of page to film. Villeneuve has clearly chosen his preferred narrative threads, and has ruthlessly carved away everything else. Do I miss the Butlerian Jihad backstory, and the explanation of the Mentats, and the context of Yueh’s choice, and so on? Sure. Are they critical to following _this version_ of the story? No. I will rewatch this many times and I will be there for Part Two when it opens. Oh, and Villeneuve has said he wants to make a total of three films: the two-part adaptation of the first book, and then a final film covering _Messiah._ Seems to me he’s very clear on why he thinks this story is worth telling. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/431 "2022-01-24T20:10:22Z")
Ah, interesting! ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/432 "2022-01-24T21:40:39Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I’m glad to learn I wasn’t the only one underwhelmed by _RWR_ . I’ve never understood all the love for it - among Clarke’s work alone, _2001, 2010, Childhood’s End, A Fall of Moondust_ and _The Fountains of Paradise_ are all better books IMHO. Is this where I say Rendezvous with Rama is one of my favorite books of all time? Not just sci-fi, but all books. I was completely drawn in and mesmerized by the exploration and wonder of discovering a new alien craft. And they keep finding interesting things before they have to go when Rama slingshots back. I actually haven’t read any of the sequels because I was worried they may ruin the first book for me. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/433 "2022-01-24T21:48:19Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I actually haven’t read any of the sequels because I was worried they may ruin the first book for me. Good move. The sequels were written in the main by Gentry Lee, who (a) isn’t nearly as good a writer as Clarke, and (b) completely ruins the mystery of Rama by explaining its origins and purpose in great detail: God sent it. Seriously. There is a God, and he sent Rama and similar craft to explore the universe he created and report back. ---
**Author:** ![Tilt-A-Whirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e79b87/32.png) [@Tilt-A-Whirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tilt-A-Whirl)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/434 "2022-03-08T19:31:34Z")
I watched Dune in January, at home. I wanted to let it percolate for a while, but it didn’t, it just washed right off me. It just didn’t do anything for me. There were some scenes that looked like they’d be impressive on the big screen, and I had no issues with the actors. I just don’t like Villeneuve. The films of his that I’ve seen (Arrival, Blade Runner 2049) seem inert, lethargic, needlessly slow. As for Dune, I never felt like I was getting immersed into the world, the culture. It felt like we were skimming past the scenes without ever being shown WHY things were happening, or what they meant. For all of the 1980’s Lynch movie’s flaws, I think it did a better job of letting you understand what was going on, understanding the characters and their motivations, and conveying the fundamental weirdness of the book. Also, I hated that the ornithopters were so overtly modeled on current helicopters. There they are, in the Ten Millionth And A Half Century or whatever, and the ornithopters have essentially the same jet engine sound, look, loading ramp, pilot controls, instrument panel, warning sounds, and behavior as today’s helicopters. They would have been very cool in a movie set on Earth, 20 years in the future. Not on Arrakis in the inconceivably far future. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/435 "2022-03-11T08:24:26Z")
> [@Tilt-A-Whirl](#): > > Also, I hated that the ornithopters were so overtly modeled on current helicopters. There they are, in the Ten Millionth And A Half Century or whatever, and the ornithopters have essentially the same jet engine sound, look, loading ramp, pilot controls, instrument panel, warning sounds, and behavior as today’s helicopters. They would have been very cool in a movie set on Earth, 20 years in the future. Not on Arrakis in the inconceivably far future. You get their society is technologically ossified, right? And also that some design features are highly optimized and would work just as well in any similar use case, like ramps or controls. Should they have flown them with reins? Or by interpretive dance moves? And 'thopters are explicitly said to have jets, what sound _should_ they make _other_ than a jet sound? IMO, they got the 'thopters _exactly_ right, in a way neither the Lynch movie nor the miniseries did. They used swords and knives, you’re not complaining that their swords and knives are the same as recent swords and knives (crysknives excepted)… ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/436 "2022-03-11T09:24:14Z")
Here is a fancy-looking real kris: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Kris_pamor.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Kris_pamor.jpg) It is made of (space?) iron, though, not space worm teeth. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/437 "2022-03-11T14:33:18Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > IMO, they got the 'thopters _exactly_ right, in a way neither the Lynch movie nor the miniseries did. No love for Lynch’s flying shoe boxes? Yeah, me neither. I never visualized damsel flies, but I’m totally cool with that interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/438 "2022-03-11T17:27:09Z")
Yeah, the 'thopters were one of my favorite bits of tech from the new movie. That kris’s grip looks like it came from an umbrella, though, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/439 "2022-03-11T17:45:42Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > That kris’s grip looks like it came from an umbrella, though, IMHO. Good for stabbing that way. Gives you a place to push with the palm of your hand, so you can get your whole arm behind it. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/440 "2022-03-12T04:34:23Z")
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