# Dune (Film) Post-release thread (open spoilers from film) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991 "2021-10-22T09:11:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/441 "2022-03-12T15:27:18Z")
Since we are on the subject, it should be noted that a lot of stuff in _Dune_ was inspired by _The Sabres of Paradise_: > In this climate of drama, where vengeance was the first principle, weapons were personified, taking on a character, an entity of their own. _I was made for Ammalet Beg,_ says one blade. _I will help thee by day and by night_ (both legally and illegally), says another. _I am slow to offend, quick to avenge,_ says a gold and ivory inlaid _kindjal._ _May thy kindjal rust_ was a malediction. They were not the sickle-shaped scimitars of the romanticized East, but straight and heavy. The _kindjal_ was a two-foot dagger, fluted and double edged; the _shashka,_ a huge sabre, barely curved and very weighty. No Caucasian man was properly dressed without his _kindjal._ Women, too, wore a smaller, but scarcely less formidable dagger, thrust through their waist belt. The _kindjal_ was used slashingly. ‘The cut’ was de rigueur. To kill with the point lacked artistry. Weapons were a cult, as dear as honour itself. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/442 "2022-03-15T02:05:08Z")
Count me as another that has never read any of the book or watched any of the movies or shows. I liked it a lot. In fact, I think that reading this thread has made me like it less. So, if I’m understanding things correctly, the reason that they fight with knives and swords instead of guns is because the force fields are somehow better against fast-moving projectiles than they are slow ones? So a bullet would just bounce off whereas a knife can be slowly pushed through? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/443 "2022-03-15T02:14:22Z")
Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/444 "2022-03-15T02:17:48Z")
It is the Rule of Cool. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/445 "2022-03-15T02:33:00Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > the reason that they fight with knives and swords instead of guns is because the force fields are somehow better against fast-moving projectiles than they are slow ones? So a bullet would just bounce off whereas a knife can be slowly pushed through? Yeah. Also, when a shield is hit by a laser both are destroyed in an almost nuclear explosion. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/446 "2022-03-15T02:44:02Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > So, if I’m understanding things correctly, the reason that they fight with knives and swords instead of guns is because the force fields are somehow better against fast-moving projectiles than they are slow ones? So a bullet would just bounce off whereas a knife can be slowly pushed through? The shield needs to be able to let slow-moving objects through because if it were completely impermeable the user wouldn’t be able to breathe, let alone interact with anything that wasn’t already within the shield. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/447 "2022-03-15T12:51:28Z")
The problem with that explanation is that the average velocity of an air molecule (assuming nitrogen) is about 500 m/sec. If you only allow in molecules moving say 2 m/s, you’re going to let in very few molecules, and you’ll be breathing air at 0.004 degrees Kelvin. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/448 "2022-03-15T12:57:01Z")
:waves hands: “Yeah, but…” :WAVES HANDS: ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/449 "2022-03-15T13:32:14Z")
Maybe 2 m/s air molecules are accelerated up to 500 m/s by the shield, to make them breathable? That wouldn’t have any undesirable side effects on slow moving knife blades, would it? ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/450 "2022-03-15T13:45:04Z")
I always assumed it wasn’t velocity, it was the amount of kinetic energy. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/451 "2022-03-15T13:57:40Z")
Straight from “Terminology of the Imperium” in the novel: > SHIELD, DEFENSIVE: the protective field produced by a Holtzman generator. This field derives from Phase One of the suspensor-nullification effect. A shield will permit entry only to objects moving at slow speeds (depending on setting, this speed ranges from six to nine centimeters per second) and can be shorted out only by a shire-sized electric field. (_See_ Lasgun) So nothing about KE, and I was way low on the speed allowed. And face it, Herbert wasn’t a David-Weberesque writer spending chapters of technobabble on made up technology in an effort to make it all be self consistent. He wanted to have knives, not guns, so he invented shields. And when someone pointed out “What about lasers?”, he just made up a bit that shooting a shield with a laser triggers a “sub-atomic fusion” blast that destroys both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/452 "2022-03-15T22:06:29Z")
It would be bad. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/453 "2022-03-15T22:34:51Z")
Total protonic reversal, to be exact. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/454 "2022-03-16T13:31:53Z")
Ok, important safety tip - thanks, **muldoonthief.** ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/455 "2022-03-28T13:13:40Z")
Not a bad night for _Dune_: > **[Oscars: ‘Dune’ Dominates Crafts with 6 Wins](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dune-movie-oscar-wins-1235118386/)** > > Many of the new Oscar winners are expected to return for 'Dune: Part Two.' ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/456 "2022-03-28T14:41:36Z")
It did have lovely cinematography. I’m happy to see that recognized. The other awards are mostly too technical for me to have an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Kimia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kimia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimia)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/457 "2022-05-10T12:51:17Z")
I finally caught this on streaming last night. I am a big fan of both the novels and Lynch’s film, and I have to say I liked this new version more than I had anticipated. The visuals of course were stunning. I find most interesting some of the characterization and casting choices. T.C. worked better as Paul than I feared. I liked the female Dr. Kynes and the direction they took with her; I wish she had gotten more screen time. I most strongly disliked Weepy Jessica; both the exquisite Francesca Annis and Alice Krige gave better performances and captured the essence of Jessica the Bene Gesserit better. I agree with the sentiment of a large section of the internet: please stop trying to make Zendaya a thing. While I eagerly look forward to the second half, the possibility of Sarcastic Bored Chani leaves me a little wary. But I have not seen anyone yet mention one of the best decisions made for the entire film: the extended screen time and development of Duncan Idaho! Spoilers for the books: Just reading the first book or watching the Lynch film, you would never get the idea that Duncan Idaho was a key figure in the saga. He is barely mentioned in passing, dies a forgettable death, and then would otherwise pass out of memory. _Dune Messiah_ surprises you by bringing him back, and his importance only grows from there. Whether or not you liked Jason Momoa in this role, you’re definitely left with the impression that hey, this guy is someone! I doubt that Villeneuve will ever bring out _Messiah_ or _Children_, but regardless it was thoughtful to bring Idaho to the fore like this. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/458 "2022-05-10T13:56:23Z")
I just read that Princess Irulan and Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen are rumored to be in the sequel. Florence Pugh (who is always awesome) will be Irulan with some guy named Austin Butler playing Feyd. I looked him up and apparently he played Manson Family member “Tex” in Once Upon A Time in Hollywood. He’s no Sting, but I could see him pulling off dangerously charming/creepy Feyd. > [@Kimia](#): > > I agree with the sentiment of a large section of the internet: please stop trying to make Zendaya a thing. While I eagerly look forward to the second half, the possibility of Sarcastic Bored Chani leaves me a little wary. I think Zendaya is perfectly fine as an actress. And Chani doesn’t know Paul from a sandworm dump. So I can forgive a bit of her “Here’s a knife, nerd. Try not to die like a dork when you get killed.” attitude. But too your point, I’ve already kind of seen Zendaya play that character in Spider Man and The Greatest Showman. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/459 "2022-05-10T14:54:57Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I just read that Princess Irulan and Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen are rumored to be in the sequel. Florence Pugh (who is always awesome) will be Irulan with some guy named Austin Butler playing Feyd. He will be appearing as Elvis Presley in the upcoming biopic directed by Baz Luhrmann and starring Tom Hanks. So his star is rising. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dune-film-post-release-thread-open-spoilers-from-film/952991/460 "2022-05-10T15:11:23Z")
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