# Dunh-dunh-DUNH! Perry Mason like twist in Casey Anthony Trial **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 24, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058 "2011-05-24T20:10:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/21 "2011-05-25T05:14:27Z")
Hope you’re right. We got a guy in my state that’s up for his third murder. Randy William Gay’s first murder was in 1978, then another in 1992, and just recently in 2011. > **[Garland County man charged with 2nd degree murder | Arkansas Democrat Gazette](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2011/may/12/garland-county-man-charged-2nd-degree-murder/)** > > Arkansas State Police have arrested a Jessieville man accused of shooting a woman and throwing her body in the bed of his pickup, according to authorities. Over crowding means a revolving door for prisons. Keeping someone in even 20 years takes a lot. Thinking of the pain a person like Randy Gay has caused makes me sick. Sadly it’s not that uncommon for even murderers to get out after 12 to 15 years. Maybe the circumstances around Caylee’s murder will make a difference. Killing a 2 year old is extreme and I’d love to see Casey never get out. > [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Is this a joke? > > Casey Anthony must be the most hated person in the entire state of Florida, and if she is convicted, I would bet (in fact I will bet if I can find any takers) that she gets a life sentence. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/22 "2011-05-25T05:57:57Z")
Been reading more about what the defense is saying. They are rolling the dice on this one. Either the drowned in pool story is believed (very unlikely) or she goes to prison. No chance of saying I accidentally gave the kid too much knockout gas or anything like that. She’s totally denying any drugging of the kid at all. That leaves little for the defense to say except for the “daddy sexually abused me as a kid” defense. That’s going to drag those poor parents even deeper into despair. Hope this is a short trial. Everyone will breath easier when Casey is in prison. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/23 "2011-05-25T08:43:05Z")
Some bizarre defense court statements. The family was quick to deny this uh, stuff. > [@](#): > > “Casey did what she’s been doing all her life, or most of it: hiding her pain,” he said, adding that Casey Anthony had been sexually abused by her father starting at age 8. > > Anthony was taught from an early age to behave as if nothing was wrong, he said, describing an incident where she went to school and behaved normally at age 13 after performing oral sex on her father. > [@](#): > > Baez also alleged Casey Anthony was inappropriately touched by her brother, Lee, although “it didn’t go as far” as it had with her father. It was bad enough, however, he said, that the FBI conducted a paternity test to see if Lee Anthony had fathered Caylee. [http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/25/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html?hpt=T2](http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/25/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html?hpt=T2) ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/24 "2011-05-25T14:11:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Hope you’re right. > > We got a guy in my state that’s up for his third murder. Randy William Gay’s first murder was in 1978, then another in 1992, and just recently in 2011. > [Garland County man charged with 2nd degree murder | The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette - Arkansas' Best News Source](http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2011/may/12/garland-county-man-charged-2nd-degree-murder/) This guy, however, has an even _better_ excuse for being permanently violent than “I was abused.” His name is _Randy Gay._ ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/25 "2011-05-25T17:14:59Z")
Right. And Ron & Nicole were stabbed to death by drug dealers, Diane Downs and her chldren were shot by the Bushy Haired Stranger, Matthew Shepard was killed over drugs, and Lisya Northrup was a battered woman who shot her husband dead in self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/26 "2011-05-25T17:24:38Z")
Looks like I was wrong about the death penalty, as Nightline had a story about Casey Anthony’s defense strategy last night, where it was mentioned that the DP was a possibility if she was found guilty. With all the circumstances in this case, it could very well be a death sentence for Casey—A physically stunning young mother accused of killing her angelic little girl, researching ways to do it for months ahead of time, living the high-life while her daughter’s body was laying in a field, and then finally blaming her father (who has stood by her all this time) for the crime? I think the good people of Florida might just have a needle with Casey Anthony’s name on it… ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/27 "2011-05-25T17:36:22Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Looks like I was wrong about the death penalty, as Nightline had a story about Casey Anthony’s defense strategy last night, where it was mentioned that the DP was a possibility if she was found guilty. > > With all the circumstances in this case, it could very well be a death sentence for Casey—A physically stunning young mother accused of killing her angelic little girl, **researching ways to do it for months ahead of time,** living the high-life while her daughter’s body was laying in a field, and then finally blaming her father (who has stood by her all this time) for the crime? > > I think the good people of Florida might just have a needle with Casey Anthony’s name on it… I hadn’t heard that part. Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/28 "2011-05-25T17:57:03Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I hadn’t heard that part. Seriously? Yeah, Casey had searched the net for terms like “Chloroform Overdose”, “Asphyxiation Death” and other similar phrases in the months before her daughter was murdered. Casey might be a stone-cold stunner (seriously, in some photos she could pass for a supermodel) as well as a stone-cold killer, but apparently she is not a master criminal/rocket scientist. Her attempt to blame her own father (Caylee’s grandfather) for Caylee’s death is going to throw any residual empathy that a juror might have possibly still had for her out the window, and by agreeing with her attorneys to proceed with such a reprehensible accusation, she likely just signed her own death warrant. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/29 "2011-05-25T18:55:53Z")
So a GQ: if it was proven that her attorneys cooked up this new idiotic defense story with her _knowing_ it was false, is that a disbarrable offense? ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/30 "2011-05-25T19:02:21Z")
I dunno. If she is that cold and mean, her mind had to get twisted somehow. Regardless of who killed the baby, I’m not having any trouble believing that Casey suffered childhood abuse. Doesn’t excuse anything. ---
**Author:** ![markm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@markm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/31 "2011-05-25T20:31:39Z")
[QUOTE=TruCelt] If she is that cold and mean, her mind had to get twisted somehow. Regardless of who killed the baby, I’m not having any trouble believing that Casey suffered childhood abuse. [/quote] I dunno. I’ve known people just as twisted (I can seriously think of one person I know who I’m honestly surprised didn’t do this to her kid herself) who had perfectly normal upbringings with no abuse. Some people are just sick, twisted fucks no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/32 "2011-05-25T20:32:18Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So a GQ: if it was proven that her attorneys cooked up this new idiotic defense story with her _knowing_ it was false, is that a disbarrable offense? I wondered about this, too. The statement about the FBI looking into the brother with a paternity test - that’s a claim that can be verified. I wonder if she’s planning to call the FBI agent as a witness - and if she’s not, is the prosecution now planning on it to debunk her claim? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/33 "2011-05-25T20:32:32Z")
She’s a pathological liar. I don’t think even she knows the truth anymore. Why would Casey and her dad concoct a cover-up of an accidental death with a disappearance of the girl? How was that supposed to be better for Casey’s mom to handle? Plus, you can’t believe no one would ever get suspicious or find the remains and then you’d be on the hook for murder because that’s what it looks like. When her father tried to kill himself I knew they’d somehow put the blame on him. ---
**Author:** ![PeskiPiksi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e495f1/32.png) [@PeskiPiksi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeskiPiksi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/34 "2011-05-25T21:25:34Z")
What’s the story with Caylee’s dad? Does anybody even know who he is? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/35 "2011-05-25T23:06:46Z")
> [@PeskiPiksi](#): > > What’s the story with Caylee’s dad? Does anybody even know who he is? Casey gave a name and it was of a guy who died in a car wreck either shortly before or shortly after (don’t remember which) Caylee was born and thus impossible to ask. So, who the hell knows if she was telling the truth or not, she’s lied about everything else. ---
**Author:** ![kapri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4491bb/32.png) [@kapri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kapri)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/36 "2011-05-25T23:06:59Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Casey might be a stone-cold stunner (seriously, in some photos she could pass for a supermodel) Are you kidding me? Seriously, you’re kidding, right? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/37 "2011-05-25T23:13:52Z")
Definitely a sticky situation for Ms Anthony. > [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Looks like I was wrong about the death penalty, as Nightline had a story about Casey Anthony’s defense strategy last night, where it was mentioned that the DP was a possibility if she was found guilty. > > With all the circumstances in this case, it could very well be a death sentence for Casey—A physically stunning young mother accused of killing her angelic little girl, researching ways to do it for months ahead of time, living the high-life while her daughter’s body was laying in a field, and then finally blaming her father (who has stood by her all this time) for the crime? > > **I think the good people of Florida might just have a needle with Casey Anthony’s name on it…**. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/38 "2011-05-25T23:40:18Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Yeah, Casey had searched the net for terms like “Chloroform Overdose”, “Asphyxiation Death” and other similar phrases in the months before her daughter was murdered. > > Casey might be a stone-cold stunner (seriously, in some photos she could pass for a supermodel) as well as a stone-cold killer, but apparently she is not a master criminal/rocket scientist. > > Her attempt to blame her own father (Caylee’s grandfather) for Caylee’s death is going to throw any residual empathy that a juror might have possibly still had for her out the window, and by agreeing with her attorneys to proceed with such a reprehensible accusation, she likely just signed her own death warrant. I haven’t read that she searched overdose and the like–the searches she did were for “chloroform,” “how to make chloroform,” “neckbreaking,” “shovel,” and “household weapons.” Still incriminating, but I have some mighty odd search phrases in my history as well, and people came up with reasonable non-murderous possibilities for why she would have searched for stuff on chloroform and neckbreaking. Also, I find it hard to believe that someone would type “shovel” into Google with murderous intent. I mean, it’s a shovel–what else do you need to know? Not that I don’t think she’s guilty, but I can’t put much stock into the Googling. Anyway, don’t forget the third key element in this plot–the guy who found Caylee’s body, one Mr. Kronk, was out for the reward money and thus planted the remains near the Anthony residence. How’d this total stranger to the Anthonys acquire the remains? Perry Baez hasn’t explained that part yet, and I’m pretty sure he won’t, but really, it all sounds so plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/39 "2011-05-25T23:46:22Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > And the grandfather denies the sexual abuse. There’s her mistake. You don’t blame someone living for it - they have an inconvenient habit of messing up your case with denials and alibis and proof that you are flailing about trying to find something to blow smoke with. You pick someone dead, or disabled, or otherwise silent. I’m guessing the meter reader is next on the “Who the Hell Can I Find to Blame for This?” list. Poor little kid. And the horrible part is that there are 50,000 other kids in the area who were also hideously abused, and nobody knows about it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058/40 "2011-05-25T23:56:21Z")
Let’s map out the defense theory 1. George sexually abuses Casey. 2. George decides not to report a perfectly accidental death. 3. ? 4. Ray Kronk dumps the body in order to profit! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dunh-dunh-dunh-perry-mason-like-twist-in-casey-anthony-trial/583058.md?page=3)