# Dutch Catholic sexual abuse of instititionalized boys? How about murder? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586 "2012-06-28T15:25:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/21 "2012-07-10T18:25:43Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Strange that the news hasn’t been picked up by the larger US news networks. Not to diminish the incredible horror of the story, but people in the US generally don’t pay attention to anything that happens in other countries. Even the response to overseas natural disasters can be muted. Economic news is an exception, but that generally affects us directly. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/22 "2012-07-10T18:34:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Not to diminish the incredible horror of the story, but people in the US generally don’t pay attention to anything that happens in other countries. Especially if it happened sixty years ago. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/23 "2012-07-10T23:53:58Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I just did some Googling and found nothing in the American press, but surprisingly to me, [I found the story in the _Irish Times_](http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0703/1224319264498.html). Really, that’s about the last place I would expect to see news so critical of the church. I guess the honeymoon is really over between Ireland and the church. The Irish Times was never in step with the Catholic Church going back. In fact it still carries a semblance of its former existence as the mouthpiece of protestant Ireland. Anyway, criticism of the church has been increasingly commonplace in the media. Clerical sex abuse scandals and other chicanery and hypocrisy on the part of the church of Rome have put a severe dent in the church’s standing in Ireland. If it wasn’t basically the established churched it would have even less standing currently imho. (And good riddance too.) ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/24 "2012-07-11T16:12:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Especially if it happened sixty years ago. > > Regards, > Shodan That we know of so far. Anyway with their attitude to contraception and AIDS the Church has moved on to slaughtering people wholesale. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/25 "2012-07-11T21:11:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Especially if it happened sixty years ago. The castration-as-punishment-for-telling-on-sexual-abuse was big news in the US a month ago and that happened in the same institution around the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/26 "2012-07-11T21:24:33Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > That we know of so far. Anyway with their attitude to contraception and AIDS the Church has moved on to slaughtering people wholesale. [Correct.(Hunger in the catholic Philippines).](http://ncronline.org/blogs/grace-margins/churchs-ban-contraception-starves-families-and-damages-ecosystem) and [correct (68.000 deaths a year according to the WHO in developing countries due to unsafe abortions](http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/unsafe_abortion/article_unsafe_abortion.pdf); and [correct](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_AIDS)"…Millions of aids-orphans" ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/27 "2012-07-11T22:17:46Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Not to diminish the incredible horror of the story, but people in the US generally don’t pay attention to anything that happens in other countries. Even the response to overseas natural disasters can be muted. > > Economic news is an exception, but that generally affects us directly. I found the story in a San Antonio paper of all places. In addition to the 37 boys, 40 girls in the same town may have been done in. Sexually abused children were sterilized. [http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/victims-call-catholic-castration-inquiry](http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/victims-call-catholic-castration-inquiry) 20,000 children sexually abused by the Catholic Church in Holland over the last 65 years. [http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Late-Dutch-Catholic-brother-suspect-in-50s-deaths-3669913.php](http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Late-Dutch-Catholic-brother-suspect-in-50s-deaths-3669913.php) ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/28 "2012-07-12T17:25:03Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > WHO in developing countries due to unsafe abortions Well, they weren’t providing the abortions. I think it’s more accurate to say that their protectionist policies prop up a sanguinary black market than that they’re slaughtering wholesale. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/29 "2012-07-27T14:34:14Z")
[BBC Documentary Exposes Baby Trafficking Scandal by Catholic Church in Spain](http://global.christianpost.com/news/bbc-documentary-exposes-baby-trafficking-scandal-by-catholic-church-in-spain-58646/) > [@](#): > > A new BBC documentary that aired Tuesday night exposed a baby trafficking scandal that was being conducted by the Catholic Church for over 50 years in Spain. > > The documentary, entitled “This World: Spain’s Stolen Babies,” revealed that over the course of five decades, hundreds of thousands of babies had been sold for adoption by a ring of priests, nuns, nurses and doctors operating in Spanish hospitals during the dictatorship of General Franco. > > The network operated by targeting primarily young, unwed mothers or mothers of a low income, who would be told shortly after giving birth that their child had died. [Meanwhile. Down Under.](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8660249/Australias-Roman-Catholic-Church-apologises-for-forced-adoptions.html) > [@](#): > > It is estimated that more than 150,000 young women across Australia had their children taken away at birth without their consent, often never to be seen again. > > Women subjected to forced adoptions in Catholic-run hospitals have described being shackled and drugged during labour and prevented from seeing their children being born or holding them afterwards. > > Many said their children had been earmarked for forced adoption well before birth and they were told they could not oppose the decision. > > Following an investigation into the practise by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, the Catholic Church issued a national apology, saying its history of forced adoptions was “deeply regrettable”. Yea. ‘Deeply regrettable’. Is that two or three steps above ‘whoopsie’? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/30 "2012-07-27T14:39:30Z")
It is three steps above being Paternolistic in nature… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/31 "2012-07-27T14:40:55Z")
The Catholic Church steals hundreds of thousands of children in one country and over 150,000 in another country. _ **WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DOES IT TAKE TO CONVINCE CATHOLICS TO LEAVE THE CHURCH??** _ ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/32 "2012-07-27T14:51:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _ **WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DOES IT TAKE TO CONVINCE CATHOLICS TO LEAVE THE CHURCH??** _ But that was a long time a go, like the last century! And they apologized, what more do you want?! And they meant well! And it was a few bad apples! Yeah. Sorry, between the scandal about the 16 yo pregnant girl that had to wait weeks to see if she would be allowed to get chemo, due to the Catholic-pushed total abortion ban, and the priest recently caught abusing a 15 yo girl (whose family he tried to bribe to drop the charges), I don’t feel very charitable towards the RCC these days. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/33 "2012-07-27T15:00:19Z")
Here’s how the punishment should go down-determine what the penalty is for kidnapping a single child is in each country, multiply it by the number of children kidnapped, and make the Catholic Church hand over enough officials to serve that many years with perhaps a maximum of 60 years per kidnapper. How many people would the Church have to hand over, do you suppose? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/34 "2012-07-27T15:04:57Z")
It does appear that the RCC believes that Christ died for our sins. THEIR sins, on the other hand, cannot be scoured away by the sacrifice of one holy man. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/35 "2012-07-27T15:18:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The Catholic Church steals hundreds of thousands of children in one country and over 150,000 in another country. > > _ **WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DOES IT TAKE TO CONVINCE CATHOLICS TO LEAVE THE CHURCH??** _ Apparently [Banished Babies](http://www.amazon.com/Banished-Babies-History-Irelands-Business/dp/1874597537) was a nice little earner in Ireland also. > [@](#): > > Mike Milotte’s damning expose - of Church-State collusion in banishing thousands of vulnerable ‘illegitimate’ children from Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s - was first published to critical acclaim in 1997, and quickly achieved iconic status. It is a story of baby trafficking - organized by nuns, sanctioned by an archbishop, administered by civil servants, and approved by politicians who tried to keep it secret. [USA and Canada](http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2012/07/catholic-nuns-steal-babies-in-canada.html) > [@](#): > > This year, a prominent Canadian law firm announced that it would file a class-action lawsuit against Quebec’s Catholic Church accusing the Church of kidnapping, fraud and coercion to force unwed mothers to give up their children for adoption - just like they have done in Spain, Australia, and Ireland. > > Anne Petrie is a Canadian author that shines a bright light on the issue of forced adoptions in Canada in her book “GONE TO AN AUNTS”, where you can clearly see the work of the Vatican and other religions in this organized crime scheme. > > This also occured to women in the U.S, as they were sent to maternity homes, denied contact with their families and friends, forced to endure labor with purposely painful procedures and return home without their babies. Single, American mothers were also denied financial support and told that their children would be better off without them. [The Duplessis Orphans](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans) > [@](#): > > Orphanages and schools were the financial responsibility of the provincial government but funding for mental institutions was provided by the government of Canada. Beginning in the 1940s and continuing into the 1960s, Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis, in cooperation with the Roman Catholic Church which ran the orphanages, developed a scheme to obtain federal funding for thousands of children, most of whom had been “orphaned” through forced separation from their unwed mothers. > > In some cases the Catholic orphanages were re-labelled as health-care facilities and in other cases the children were shipped from orphanages to existing insane asylums. Years later, long after these institutions were closed, the children who had survived them and become adults began to speak out about the harsh treatment and sexual abuse they endured at the hands of the psychiatrists, Roman Catholic priests, nuns, and administrators. > > \ > > In 2004, members of the “Duplessis Orphans” asked the Quebec government to unearth an abandoned cemetery in the east end of Montreal which they believed held the remains of orphans who may have been the subject of medical experiments. According to testimony by individuals who were at the Cité de St-Jean-de-Dieu insane asylum, the orphans were routinely experimented upon and many died. The group wants the government to exhume the bodies so that autopsies may be performed. Let’s hear it for the Catholic Church and their hag-ridden co-conspirators world-wide. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/36 "2012-07-27T15:20:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Here’s how the punishment should go down-determine what the penalty is for kidnapping a single child is in each country, multiply it by the number of children kidnapped, and make the Catholic Church hand over enough officials to serve that many years with perhaps a maximum of 60 years per kidnapper. How many people would the Church have to hand over, do you suppose? The Catholic Church is an international conspiracy against humanity and should be charged as an organisation with Crimes Against Humanity. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/37 "2012-07-27T15:33:39Z")
[Catholic adoption agencies given only 45 days to transfer all children after gay adoption dust-up](http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-adoption-agencies-given-only-45-days-to-transfer-all-children-afte/) ‘Buy one, get one free’ works wonders for clearing surplus stock in most retail businesses. Just trying to be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/38 "2012-07-29T13:48:17Z")
I wait for the steal the baby from its mother scandal to break here in the states. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/39 "2012-07-29T14:00:23Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Brother Andreas, from accounts of co-workers at the time and from his own memoirs, was a religious, faithful and rather dumb man. Not a psychopath. Just a dumb man in a sick, sick institution that had no business caring for mentally disabled children. Not to excuse anything but even “normal” people put into impossible situations and losing battles can start to do hideous things. Hell in the criminally underfunded local public hospital among patients in coma unlikely to recover bed sores are used as a way to clear up beds, assuming that doesn’t work I’ve heard more than one case of accidental insulin overdose given to non-diabetic patients. They sent my brother in laws family out to buy band aids and saran wrap when he went in with third degree burns, no supplies. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586/40 "2012-07-29T18:41:45Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Hell in the criminally underfunded local public hospital among patients in coma unlikely to recover bed sores are used as a way to clear up beds, assuming that doesn’t work I’ve heard more than one case of accidental insulin overdose given to non-diabetic patients. They sent my brother in laws family out to buy band aids and saran wrap when he went in with third degree burns, no supplies. Where the hell do you live? :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-catholic-sexual-abuse-of-instititionalized-boys-how-about-murder/626586.md?page=3)