# Dutch MP denied entry to UK **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 11, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314 "2009-02-11T02:34:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/121 "2009-02-20T14:23:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > There are an awful lot of nutjobs at Speakers’ Corner on any given day (or at least there used to be). What’s one more? British Ranting for British Nutters. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/122 "2009-02-20T14:33:30Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > British Ranting for British Nutters. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/123 "2009-02-20T14:38:53Z")
…but the thing is that the security threats against the guy they’re trying to ban. They are no saying that his goon will burn-and-pillage the High Street. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/124 "2009-02-20T14:58:03Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > …but the thing is that the security threats against the guy they’re trying to ban. They are no saying that his goon will burn-and-pillage the High Street. Well, that’s a relief! ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/125 "2009-02-20T16:00:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > 😃 If feel I should elaborate. Of course by ‘British Ranting for British Nutters’ I was expressing the aspiration that the Reality Impaired of British Nationality should at some future point have access to the training they might need to compete with foreign madmen on an equal basis, rather than making some sort of promise or commitment. \ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/126 "2009-02-21T07:37:09Z")
To extend my previous post. He’s being denied entry because he says Muslims are violent (and the British government thinks it’s wrong to say that) and that his presence will make Muslims comit violent acts. Is that like saying “we know you’re right, just don’t rock the boat”? Of course the UK has the legal right to accept or deny entry to anyone they see fit, but that isn’t the debate. If they pass a law saying mo-one born in the year 1956 can get into the UK, they’d have to enforce it, but would still be ridiculous and subject to debate. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/127 "2009-02-21T16:58:20Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > To extend my previous post. He’s being denied entry because he says Muslims are violent (and the British government thinks it’s wrong to say that) and that his presence will make Muslims comit violent acts. Is that like saying “we know you’re right, just don’t rock the boat”? I’m not sure I really understand this. Has there been significant civil unrest among British Muslims? There hadn’t when I left in 1996, and I figured I’d have gotten a call from a family member if there was an Islamic riot in West Bromwich or something… If they’re just talking about isolated stuff like bombs and shootings and the like, they really ought to suck it up and put the fellow under guard. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/128 "2009-02-22T17:21:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m not sure I really understand this. Has there been significant civil unrest among British Muslims? There hadn’t when I left in 1996, and I figured I’d have gotten a call from a family member if there was an Islamic riot in West Bromwich or something… > > If they’re just talking about isolated stuff like bombs and shootings and the like, they really ought to suck it up and put the fellow under guard. Well there was[Bradford](http://www.writewords.org.uk/archive/200.asp) for starters. and [Birmingham](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3710067/Asian-men-accused-of-Birmingham-riot-murder-have-convictions-quashed.html) [Leeds](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/arrest-of-asian-over-tax-disc-sparked-leeds-riot-673100.html) [Oldham](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldham_Riots) are the main ones, and while the word “asian” is commonly used the names and nationalities of the individuals concerned clearly indicate a muslim background. A Sikh friend of mine is against the pc use of “asian” as it allows the muslim community to avoid responsibility while including hindus, sikhs ect in the violence. So yes, it is like saying “you’re right, don’t rock the boat”, because if someone does rock the boat the government has no idea how to stop it and they are afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/129 "2009-02-26T10:00:37Z")
> [@Wallenstein](#): > > Lord Ahmed is an odious little man. > > He’s currently facing jail-time for killing a motorist while txting on the motorway - under potential forthcoming legislation this could lead to his removal from the House of Lords. > > He’s not typical of British muslims, and represent the worst excesses of militant Islam. > > He’s the equivalent to Jerry Fallwell or Pat Robertson - in the same way that otherwise sensible US policiticians pay attention to Rush Limbaugh, the British establishment give him airtime. But 99% of the British public would have no idea who he is if you showed them a photo. Update: Lord Ahmed is an odious [imprisoned](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7909510.stm) little man. Unfortunately it’s only a 12 week sentence and he will be out on licence in 6. ---
**Author:** ![Art\_Rock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/art_rock/32/525_2.png) [@Art\_Rock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Art_Rock)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/130 "2009-02-27T13:25:42Z")
> [@bagga](#): > > How much of this is due to Wilders? What is his position within the party? For all practical purposes, he IS the party. He founded it and most Dutch would be hard pressed to name even one other person in it. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314/131 "2009-02-27T14:38:54Z")
Incidentally, he’s also the only member of the PVV. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-mp-denied-entry-to-uk/485314.md?page=6)