# Dutch Prins Friso , has very serious brain damage **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 24, 2012, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829 "2012-02-24T12:11:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/1 "2012-02-24T12:11:40Z")
Sad day in Holland, The second son of Queen Beatrix had a Ski accident last week, > **[Prince Friso fights for his life after being hit by avalanche - DutchNews.nl](https://www.dutchnews.nl/2012/02/prince_friso_fights_for_his_li/)** > > Prince Friso fights for his life after being hit by avalanche today there was a press conference from the Hospital and the news was not good > **[Prince Friso suffered 'very serious brain damage' in skiing accident -...](https://www.dutchnews.nl/2012/02/prince_friso_suffered_very_ser/)** > > Prince Constantijn, queen Beatrix, Friso's wife Mabel and crown prince Willem-Alexander arrive at the hospital on Friday. Photo Reuters Prince Friso was second in line to the throne, who had give up his claim He wanted to marry a girl who was once friends (or even a lover of) with a famous Dutch Gangster (well famous in Holland that is)… when you are in line to the Royal throne you have to ask permission from the Dutch Parliament, and because they wouldn’t sanction the marriage he chose leave the Royal Family > **[Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Friso_of_Orange-Nassau)** > > Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau (Dutch: Johan Friso Bernhard Christiaan David van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg; 25 September 1968 – 12 August 2013) was the younger brother of King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands. Prince Friso was a member of the Dutch Royal Family, but because of his marriage without an Act of Consent in 2004, he lost his membership of the Dutch Royal House and was no longer in the line of succession to the throne. > On 17 February 2012, Prince Friso was buried under an avalanche... I do not realy follow the Royal family, but it left me feeling unexpected sad Like the most of Holland ☹ ---
**Author:** ![6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/e19adc/32.png) [@6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/2 "2012-02-24T12:54:26Z")
Very, very sad. But hell, the rest of the Royal Family are skiing in Lech. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/3 "2012-02-24T13:44:33Z")
Do we know where this Dutch gangster was at the time of the ‘accident’? ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/4 "2012-02-24T13:47:52Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Do we know where this Dutch gangster was at the time of the ‘accident’? dead > **[Klaas Bruinsma (drug lord)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaas_Bruinsma_(drug_lord))** > > Klaas Bruinsma (6 October 1953 – 27 June 1991) was a major Dutch drug lord. He was shot dead on 27 June 1991 by organized crime member and former police officer Martin Hoogland. He was known as "De Lange" ("the tall one") and also as "De Dominee" ("the pastor") because of his black clothing and his habit of lecturing others. > Klaas Bruinsma was born in Amsterdam as the second child of Anton Bruinsma, a Dutch entrepreneur and Gwendolyn Theresa Mary Kelly, a British homemaker. He attended the "De B... ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/5 "2012-02-24T16:24:07Z")
That’s very sad. He was trapped under an avalanche. Nothing could be done to prevent that. And his family remains in Lech to support him while he is in the hospital. I doubt they are on the slopes. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/6 "2012-02-24T18:14:33Z")
I’m very sorry to hear that, most of all for his wife and their little girls. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/7 "2012-02-24T18:38:53Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > dead > > [Klaas Bruinsma (drug lord) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaas_Bruinsma_(drug_lord)) That’s a damn good alibi. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/8 "2012-02-24T21:27:30Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > That’s very sad. \*\*He was trapped under an avalanche. Nothing could be done to prevent that. \*\* And his family remains in Lech to support him while he is in the hospital. I doubt they are on the slopes. Twice in the last week there have news reports of [these](http://www.tahoemountainsports.com/product/mammut-ride-ras-avalanche-airbag-backpack?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping)saving people’s lives in avalanches that killed or injured others, including the one that injured the Prince. One would think he could have afforded one and from the looks of them they’re not much bigger than a regular backpack. This is a terrible tragedy that could have been mitigated w/ better equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/9 "2012-02-24T21:49:06Z")
Thoughts for Holland and its monarchy ☹ ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/10 "2012-02-24T21:59:43Z")
At what point is CPR no longer prudent? He was in cardiac arrest for almost an hour, the first 20 minutes with no resuscitation attempts (since he was buried). I suppose you always hope for the best and maybe get a miracle, but how many people actually experience meaningful survival at that point? The damage was probably all done before they even got him out of the snow. Very sad day for the Dutch royal family. And I feel so badly for his wife and young daughters. ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/11 "2012-02-24T22:29:10Z")
There’s an emergency medicine saying: “You’re not dead until you’re warm and dead”. You may have heard of the cases where someone who seems dead actually is resuscitated after being found hypothermic or in an icy river. Sometimes the cold temperatures are protective of the brain to some degree, which is why in recent years hospitals have started intentionally cooling down the bodies of people resuscitated after a cardiac arrest. The hope is that keeping their brain cool will lessen the damage caused by the lack of circulation. So, yeah, I’m guessing that the fact that he was buried in snow probably was a factor in why they tried to save him even though normally the chances of bringing back someone who had been down that long would be nil. There is also the factor that he’s royalty, so they may have decided to make a heroic effort even knowing that it would almost certainly fail just because it would look bad to not even try. Similar to how most of the time ER staff will put in an extra effort trying to bring back a child or young person who is in cardiac arrest because psychologically you feel like you have to at least try even if you know it probably won’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/12 "2012-02-24T23:02:29Z")
So if he suffers massive brain damage he’ll be The Autist Formerly Known As Prince? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/13 "2012-02-24T23:09:30Z")
> [@chizzuk](#): > > At what point is CPR no longer prudent? He was in cardiac arrest for almost an hour, the first 20 minutes with no resuscitation attempts (since he was buried). I suppose you always hope for the best and maybe get a miracle, but how many people actually experience meaningful survival at that point? The damage was probably all done before they even got him out of the snow. Probably true, but there are cases of people retrieved from cold conditions who were under for longer periods of time who made full neurological recoveries. As a result, the guiding medical principle (said only somewhat tongue in cheek) is that a person isn’t really to be pronounced dead until they’re warm and dead. Oops, I see I’m just parroting **lavenderviolet** ’s post. As for the OP, Wij wensen jullie veel sterkte met het grote verlies van je man en jullie vader. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/14 "2012-02-24T23:25:45Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > Nothing could be done to prevent that. However, the first link in the OP says he and his friends were skiing off trail. That may have played a part. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/15 "2012-02-25T03:52:52Z")
> [@Beastly\_Rotter](#): > > So if he suffers massive brain damage he’ll be The Autist Formerly Known As Prince? Ooooh, you are evil. But so funny. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/16 "2012-02-25T04:05:05Z")
I saw this in the news when it happened, but I hadn’t heard anything more. I’m sorry for the entire family, and also for him. Sad news. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/17 "2012-02-25T04:34:28Z")
Such sad news for the family. My heart goes out to them and to the Dutch citizens. Poor Queen Beatrix, I hope the media leave her be. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dutch-prins-friso-has-very-serious-brain-damage/613829/18 "2012-02-25T04:55:37Z")
> [@Beastly\_Rotter](#): > > So if he suffers massive brain damage he’ll be The Autist Formerly Known As Prince? That’s disgusting.