# Dwarf Fortress! ("Oh no; not again!") **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646 "2020-06-14T04:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/1 "2020-06-14T04:35:44Z")
Saw some good news today: [Dwarf Fortress is getting graphics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp7DEUzWOfo) AND [is coming to Steam](https://store.steampowered.com/app/975370/Dwarf_Fortress/)! They are finally shedding the text interface in favor of some pretty sweet tiny graphics; I think that’s the best move they’ll ever make. Apparently they added music as well. I am very excited about this and cannot wait to play the new updated version. > **[Dwarf Fortress by Kitfox Games](https://kitfoxgames.itch.io/dwarf-fortress)** > > Remember: Losing is fun! [They’ve also posted a FAQ](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xwhi1KKp5QD9R4-euZ0JqRB0vHdNPqdBJXjIgp-yYHA/edit): > [@](#): > > TL;DR > > 1. What price? $20 > 2. Why Steam/itch? Health difficulties, uncertain structure of Patreon. > 3. Can I still get the original game free and is it still going to be updated? Yep! > 4. Why Kitfox Games? We’re friends and helping to handle marketing & customer support. > 5. Are you going to steal the community mods? No!! We’re creating an all new tileset for Steam & [itch.io](http://itch.io) releases, and no one is required to put their Dwarf Fortress Classic mods on Steam Workshop. > 6. I don’t want to support this version! You can still support Tarn (“the Toady One”) and Zach (“Threetoe”) on Patreon. 😃 > 7. What about other storefronts? We’re focused on Steam and [itch.io](http://itch.io) for now. > > This is just another way to support the Dwarf Fortress creators! Sadly, there is no definite release date yet. My fingers are crossed that this epic time-waster comes along soon eh! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/2 "2020-06-14T04:50:59Z")
This has been in development for a while. If I remember correctly, the only reason they’re doing this is so that they can afford health insurance. Otherwise it would have been free forever. What a fucking country. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/3 "2020-06-14T13:13:33Z")
They probably noticed the millions of dollars RimWorld brought in and decided they wanted a piece of that after all. I’m not sure graphics alone will give DF enough accessibility to compete against RimWorld. It also needs a good UI instead of that keyboard-only stuff. (I understand it is really fast when you’re 100 hours into the game.) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/4 "2020-06-14T15:39:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > This has been in development for a while. If I remember correctly, the only reason they’re doing this is so that they can afford health insurance. Otherwise it would have been free forever. > > What a fucking country. The original game is and will remain free. In our society, everyone needs money and I have no problem offering modest support for them and their endeavors. (And for me, the graphics will be an enormously enjoyable improvement in gameplay.) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/5 "2020-06-15T05:38:28Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > RimWorld Which has a new mod that allows multi-level building, along with older mods for Dwarf-related items, turning that game into a Dwarf Fortress clone. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/6 "2020-06-15T17:35:31Z")
Worth pointing out that for ages you could download the original game along with a convenient bundle of graphics mods, sound mods, management scripts, and other utilities. The graphics were there if you wanted them. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/7 "2020-06-16T06:14:51Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Worth pointing out that for ages you could download the original game along with a convenient bundle of graphics mods, sound mods, management scripts, and other utilities. The graphics were there if you wanted them. I love my Lazy Newb Pack. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/8 "2020-06-16T21:06:21Z")
I gotta say that, while I love the idea of Dwarf Fortress I just always found it too impenetrable and difficult to operate to be fun. RimWorld scratched that itch for me. I hope DF can manage something similar. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dwarf-fortress-oh-no-not-again/855646/9 "2020-06-16T22:16:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I gotta say that, while I love the idea of Dwarf Fortress I just always found it too impenetrable and difficult to operate to be fun. I got as far as flooding some ground to create a garden then got lost. Been playing the hell out of RimWorld lately, though; waiting for [that multi-level mod](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2127428910) to be finished before enabling it.