I will consider revising my statements now that Neutron Star has been so successful at quitting nicotine with the patch. As a current [del]non[/del]smoker he has some great knowledge to share.
Look, I do not know why you are so defensive about the E-Cig. I am not shitting on them I am just suggesting that people do not consider them as a stop smoking aid. An interesting new way to take a very popular drug it is. Great. I actually want one.
Hell. To be honest I even looked into investing right off before even replying. I still may.
There is really no real way this will help anyone quit nicotine.
I’m not actually worried about quiting so it would not be a smoking cessation aid, what I do want is something where I dont have to freeze my butt (no pun intended) off , cause of current laws, be it clubs , work , flights etc.
I was just out shopping and stopped by my local tobacco store. I asked the lady if she’d heard about e-cigs. She had, but her store hasn’t decided to stock them. It’s $100 for the initial setup, and she’s not sure anyone would want them. There’s about to be another tax increase on tobacco so hopefully I put the thought into her head to maybe try them out.
Marlboro 72’s are what you’re looking for. I’d guess they’re about three quarters of an inch shorter then regular cigarettes. Perfect for those who don’t always smoke the entire cigarette.
Well, it’s also one of the most addictive drugs in the world. What are the numbers for cold turkey?
If you shop around on the Internet, they’re much cheaper. I got my starter kit for $28 + $11 shipping from Hong Kong here. Takes about 7-14 days for shipping, but the price break is worth it. If I need replacement parts or cartridges (I haven’t yet, but my friend has), I go here because it’s a U.S. site and the shipping is cheaper and faster, plus the customer service is great. I’ll also go ahead and note that I’m not affiliated with either of those sites - just a happy customer.
e: also, this is supposed to be the best place for nicotine juice, but I haven’t ordered from there yet.
According to the same study, it cold turkey was 5%. The numbers vary, and it’s hard to find an independent source, but the low end of the numbers for Allan Carr’s method are literally about 10 times highers than anything else. That method could be considered “cold turkey” because you don’t use anything else. And the addictiveness of nicotine is actually debated. People don’t shiver and puke and die and shit when they quit nicotine like they do with a lot of other drugs. You just . . . kind of want it for a couple days. The physical addiction is gone in less than 72 hours IIRC.
I wish they’d do something like that with Camels - I never could stand Marlboros. But I do recall more than instance where somebody who smoked 100s seemed baffled that anybody would smoke regular-length cigs when 100s are the same price per pack. I pointed out that when I smoke, regardless of the length of the cigarette, I smoke about the same amount and then I’ve had enough. With a “king size”, that usually means I leave about 1/2" to 3/4" of tobacco unsmoked. If I was smoking 100s, I’d be leaving an inch and a half unsmoked, and that just seems like a waste.
Is it a taste of strength thing? A Marlboro medium is probably about the same as a Camel Light as far as how strong it is. Taste on the other hand is still different. I’ve never been big on Camels.
Then there’s my great Aunt. I’ve NEVER seen her smoke a cigarette past the halfway point, EVER, and she still buys 100’s.
Slight hijack, but there was this 7-11 I bought my smokes at sometimes, and they started selling Camel Lights that clearly were different. They weren’t labeled differently and didn’t taste different, but they lacked whatever they use to keep the tobacco burning. I could go outside and have a few puffs, put the cigarette in the ashtray and it would immediately go out. I could come back later and smoke a little more. I bought all my cigs at that store until they finally circulated the regular blend back in.
Taste. I just always liked Camel’s blend better. When I started smoking at age 15, everybody smoked Marlboros. the “cool” brand. I was never trying to look “cool” when I started, so I actually tried out many many different brands until I found the one I liked best, which turned out to be Camel Filters (though a few years ago I switched to Camel Ultra Lights - I was the lead singer in a band and the numerous extra cigarettes I found myself smoking on gigs was playing hell with my voice.)
I suspect that’s the “Child of the Great Depression” obsession with economizing (assuming she’s that old). It’s the same thing that makes senior citizens who eat like birds go to the all-you-can-eat buffet every day: “It’s such a bargain!” Yeah, but even with the senior citizen discount, they’re still paying too much for the amount of food they actually eat.
There can be a lot of benefit from “replacement therapies”. That’s part of what harm reduction is all about. For some people it can work to move from one harmful addiction to another, less harmful one. Methadone treatment is a good example of this.
I would say your analogy about alcoholics: “It is like an alcoholic switching from scotch to vodka or beer.” is a little off. It’s more like an alcoholic switching from the harmful addiction of alcohol to a less-harmful addiction to a lifelong “program” (some would say cult) like AA. You aren’t drinking anymore, but all you have done is replace one addiction with another. It works for some (sadly, in the case of AA, it only works for about 5% of people who join the group–but for that 5%–hey… it’s better than drinking–even if the program is a bit loopy and in denial about being religious).
I am gonna go ahead and completely disagree. Did you fully read that page on Harm reduction or just post the link?
Replacement is not what harm reduction is all about. Methadone is a shitty example of harm reduction. The worst one actually. Methadone is about the only example of pure switching to another addiction.(There are patches and gums and inhalators and sprays for nicotine but they are not designed for harm reduction or replacement. Just cessation aids.) And the only reason it is accepted is the devastation heroin addiction causes. Methadone basically just keeps people out of jail for longer intervals and reduces crime a bit. Some start to lead better lives but eventually the methadone has to drop as well. Cant go around high on opiates, synthetic or otherwise all the fucking time and lead a normal life. Harm reduction usually means clean needles and condoms and designated drivers and the like. Yes maybe someday the E-cig.
Your caparison is way off.
An alcoholic regularly attending to AA has quit the substance of concern. And AA is not medically addictive. Nowhere near the same as switching means of nicotine delivery systems. Switching from Standard Cigarettes to E-cigarette is still nicotine addiction unchanged. Likely healthier. But the addition is still in full force active and being fed. Have you ever seen the incredible change in an alcoholics life that has quit and started AA? Compare that with someone that switched from normal cigs to E-Cigs. I think there is no comparison. They are still a slave to that monkey.
Like I said before the liberation from the addition is what motivated me and has rewarded me in stopping smoking. Not the health concerns. Dragging out the withdraws from patches and gums were not interesting to me. Although the prospects of a healthier alternative to cigs sound great. I think I still would rather not slave myself to hunting out batteries, vials of nico juice and atomizers.
I don’t goto AA
I think the E-Cig product is clever.
I am not a nicotine hater
I have grown pot in my sobriety.
I am not an anti-smoking crusader.
And I mix drinks from to time to time for friends and or my wife
I am an atheist and halfway a libertarian and don’t really give a fuck what anyone does.
I am really just surprised at the folks that came to the defense of the E-Cig
A little know nicotine product. Could be dangerous as all get out. Batteries probably get hot and you inhale all sorts of lithium or some shit. I Have been thinking too how come the big guys are not marketing them. They may know something.
All I am trying to say though it that this makes no sense to me as a smoking cessation aid.
As a lifelong non-smoker and hater of everything having to do with smoking, I find nothing objectionable about this. (what a relief, right?! :rolleyes:) Although I’m pretty sure nicotine is bad for you, so are twinkies and I don’t really care if you eat twinkies all day as long as you don’t make me eat them too, or steal my wallet to pay for them. I don’t want to breathe your smoke, and this seems like a great way to keep your smoke out of my lungs. Win-win!
In short, I would happily contribute my tax dollars toward the cause of replacing ALL cigarettes with these things. Just so’s you know, this is one non-smoker on your side.
I’ve been thinking about getting one of these for a long time, and now that you’ve posted a link that has it at far less than $100, I think I just might.
I’m a social smoker; I smoke only when I’m drinking, and even then, only when I’m drinking with smokers or a lot of people. Still, this amounts to about a pack a week, and though I’m sure it’s far better for my lungs than regular smoking, it still ain’t good and I’d prefer not to get cancer. I don’t want to stop smoking; I enjoy it-- it gives me something to do with my hands and it’s a nice feeling when combined with alcohol-- but again, the cancer and dying, DNW.
This seems like a perfect solution to me. My friends have all assured me they’ll never let me live it down, but it’s not like they’ve ever been lacking things to make fun of me about, so what’s one more?
fifty six: You need to chill out. Just because it doesn’t sit right with you and your experience with nicotine addiction doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a perfectly good smoking cessation aid for people other than you. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who don’t give a damn about being addicted to something as long as it isn’t smelly or carcinogenic. I’m one of those. No, it’s no good to rid yourself of the actual addiction to nicotine (thank you, Captain Obvious), but it sounds like a great way to stop smoking tobacco.
And I’m not so sure it’s better for your lungs than regular smoking (though how a pack a week isn’t “regular smoking” is beyond me); recent studies have shown that even one cigarette per day is enough to fuck your shit up, and “light smoking” (1 to 4 per day; you’re smoking 3 a day) triples your risk of dying from heart disease. There are also some other numbers I don’t understand that might mean it triples your risk of dying from lung cancer too; at any rate it increases it.
In my college biology lab, the professor seemed to think that cancer was something that cigarettes “turn on” in your genes moreso than something they “give” you (it was a little more complicated than that but I’m not a biology professor.) If he was right, the amount you smoke wouldn’t make much of a difference.
I’m not hating or anything here. Like I said, I smoked for over a decade and even though I quit a few years ago, cigarettes still don’t really bother me like they do most non-smokers. I slipped up a few times in early 2008 and even slipped up and had one cigarette a couple weeks ago when I was in an, uhhhh, altered state of mind. I’m just being realistic.
