Hmm, seems like the perfect opportunity for an intelligent entrepreneur to take up this market right here in the states. Promoting quality ingredients. (Not to mention American made.)
I know I’d be willing to pay a few extra bucks for such a product.
Ecigs and eliquid aren’t one and the same. I suspect my ecig was made in China, but my liquid was made in the US. I’ve had Chinese liquid and it’s pretty awful by comparison.
Duckster, did you miss the part where Rachellelogram said unless you drink the liquid from the bottle?
Intellicig-USA is the US marketing arm for UK Intellicig e-liquid. Here is what they claim as to the purity of their product - from the UK site.
I copied this from my previous post here but I assume the original website hasn’t changed.
But the liquid isn’t (at least not over here in France. Much of them seem to be produced locally, in fact, and I don’t see why it would be different in the USA). So, if you use rechargeable vaporisators (which I advise you to do anyway) it shouldn’t be a problem.
(On the other hand I’ve no clue who is producing it locally, and for all I know, it could be start-up companies with zero experience in quality control, health hazards, etc…)
Exactly. This is coming from the same dudes who poisoned your dog food and put dangerous heavy metals in kids toys. Perfectly possible for these bozos to slip a much higher dose in the liquid. And they can’t be held responsible, either.
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Yeah, nothing but slaps on the wrist over there:
Yes, the Chinese might hold them responsible, but we can’t. And they were only executed as their stuff killed *Chinese *babies.
http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/Toxic-cadmium-common-in-China-s-cheap-jewelry-3276017.php
“Business is business, and it’s all up to our client,” said He Huihua, manager of the Suiyuan Jewelry Shop at International Trade City in Yiwu, a sprawling wholesale mecca where sellers pitch their wares in hopes of landing a lucrative export contract.
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Asked what he thought about the health risks associated with cadmium and other toxic metals, He said: “I can’t be overly concerned about that.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/15/chinas-poisonous-exports/
*he Chinese have peddled numerous toxic products to American consumers, including everything from children’s toys to adult vitamins to pet food. The U.S. government regularly stops more poisonous or faulty products at the border that were imported from the PRC than from any other nation. …Some of the 197 goods refused for entry into America included hazardous cardiograph machines, cosmetics, pet medicine, diet drugs, orthodontic parts, surgical bandages, frozen spinach, asparagus and candy.
These examples were compiled by simply taking the first 10 products from the list, not by searching for the most egregious cases. The inspector’s note on a batch of refused fish gave this reason for his thumb’s down: “The article appears to consist in whole or in part of a filthy, putrid or decomposed substance or be otherwise unfit for food.” This incriminating judgment speaks to the huge risks associated with a vast range of products exported from China. Unfortunately, merely stopping a poisonous product at a port of entry doesn’t necessarily prevent it from ending up in an American home because corrupt Chinese exporters often re-ship refused products, hoping they will eventually slip past U.S. officials. In no uncertain terms, nothing from China can be assumed to be safe.
Let me post that again "In no uncertain terms, nothing from China can be assumed to be safe."
Now, like i said, e-cigs seem to be a reasonable way to stop smoking. But get yours, and your supplies from reputable companies.
You are either not reading the posts or just ignoring the ones you disagree with. The batteries for the e-cigs are made in china. Many companies that sell the nicotine solutions make their own brands in-house right here in the good ole US of A and advertise them as such.
Also, since you seemed to miss it, it would be very difficult if not impossible to spike the liquid with enough nicotine to kill you. I’ve read that a “puff” equals about 3-5 microliters of liquid. Nicotine is lethal at around 30-60mg. Let’s assume 30mg is enough to kill you and you inhale 5 microliters in a puff. The concentration would have to be around 6 grams per ml to be fatal. I’m not sure that’s even theoretically possible.
They killed Chinese nationals and embarrassed the government. The executed ones probably failed to pay sufficient bribes. And even in that case, the government paid off families to keep quiet and suppressed the news until the Olympics were over.
Unless the Chinese get as outraged about poisoning Americans – and it’s hard to imagine them doing so – their government won’t care. And even if they, a few symbolic executions later and the same exact thing will keep happening as long as the bribes keep flowing.
And ours will just barely make a show of it, enough to look like they’re doing something but but never enough to stop the money from flowing. Your lives are a cost-cutting measure.
I use Magic Mist which is apparently manufactured in the United Kingdom.
You can feel the effects of nicotine poisoning at much, much lower doses and as someone who’s experienced it, it’s worse than any hangover you’ve ever experienced.
Getting sick to your stomach when you smoke too much is not nicotine poisoning?
I recall reading that guys in tobacco agriculture who carried tobacco stalks over there sweaty backs would sometimes be in distress from nicotine poisoning.
I don’t believe I shared my symptoms, but thanks.
This I can get behind. My post was a half-joke (but which half?).
Assuming of course that your defective “made in China” e-cig only delivers that much.
The e-cigs themselves are made in China. Much of the solutions are also made in China.
http://blog.e-cigexpress.com/2013/03/made-in-usa-e-liquid-well-sort-of.html
Do you know how much 50mg is? Ok, a Nickel is 5 grams. That’s 5000mg. So, we’re talking 1/100th the weight of a nickel. It’s smaller than the size of a baby aspirin.
Since it’s GQ, I feel the need to clarify a couple points…
Ecigs aren’t just batteries and liquid, the atomizer which is what actually heats up and vaporizes the liquid is the real “heart” of the device, and the vast, vast majority of them are made in China. And many of the very few that claim to be made elsewhere still purchase the parts from China and really only do minor assembly elsewhere.
The “50mg” that refers to the nicotine strength/concentration actually refers to milligrams **per **milliliter, so 50mg strength nicotine liquid (which is extremely high, and higher than most vendors would sell) would contain 50mg of nicotine diluted into each milliliter of liquid.
Like with a lot of poisons, at very high/dangerous concentrations (if there were somehow a mistake in making the liquid way too strong), such liquid would instantly cause a burning/stinging and generally unpleasant sensation.
The main danger would be to a small child that somehow drank the liquid quickly without instantly spitting/vomiting it out, which would seem to be the expected reaction. Then again, there are lots of other things that will harm small children if they ingest them. The obvious (and ubiquitous) answer is to keep such things out of reach of children.
(Full disclosure: I was an early adopter of ecigs and used them (in conjunction with snus) to quite easily, quickly and completely quit smoking cigarettes years ago. IMHO, the potential risks were well worth eliminating the certain risk of continuing to smoke. YMMV)
There are two more potential concerns with the high nicotine liquids and refillable tank style personal vaporizers: leaky tanks and spills during filling. I’ve had a couple of tanks with defects or missing seals which resulted in a few drops of the liquid on my lips and hands, and a clumsy moment where I accidentally spilled the liquid on my hands when filling a tank. Nicotine is absorbable through skin and mucus membranes. The solution is to: buy brand name tanks from a reputable supplier and to immediately wash your hands or face if they come into contact with the liquid and discard any defective or damaged tanks. If you’re prone to clumsiness, spend a couple of bucks for some “medical” gloves at the drug store and use them when refilling. And, yes, buy the lowest strength nicotine liquid that keeps you from lighting up a cigarette.
If you have small children in the house, also consider buying your liquid in the larger dropper bottles with child proof tops. And, of course, keep your bottles away from pets who might chew through the tops (my cats are thoroughly uninterested in my liquid, but I’ve known some stupid dogs who might be more curious.)
Common sense precautions, really, and things I’ve been warned about by every person who’s sold me liquid, online or in a store. And the same warnings that apply to other things we can buy without a prescription, like drain cleaner and bleach.
I guess it never hurts to be safe.
Myself, the only time I ever reach for my E-cig is when I’m drinking. As you can imagine, drinking and the dexterity required to refill those damn cartridges don’t exactly mesh well. I’ve gotten the juice on both my hands and my lips numerous times with no ill effects. But then again, I use the 18 strength.
Yes, many solutions are made in China. Many are made in the US. US made liquid is a selling point for most companies. Nicotine levels are the least of my concerns about Chinese liquids…I would be much more concerned with purity or other additives that may be harmful.
I know exactly how much 50mg is. I also know it is not possible for an atomizer on an e-cig to vaporize an entire ml of liquid in one shot. As voltaire points out you are mixing up your units. 50mg of liquid will not kill you (and you’d quickly know you took in a very large amount of vapor and nicotine). It’s the concentration of the liquid that counts. As I explained above, the concentrations needed to kill a person by taking a few drags off of an e-cig are not possible to obtain. I’m not a chemist but I don’t think it’s possible to dissolve 6 grams of nicotine in 1ml of a solution