# E=mc2 is a liberal conspiracy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823 "2010-08-10T14:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/81 "2010-08-13T05:24:41Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Do we need a new word for “fiscal conservative who hates social conservatives?” No, just call them “Democrats”. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/82 "2010-08-13T06:36:33Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > And that’s exactly it. If the invalid was healed at the _exact same instant_ Jesus said it, without even a lightspeed delay, all that means is that God can violate the lightspeed constraint just as he can bring the dead back to life. It doesn’t invalidate the general principles that nothing can act faster than light and the dead stay dead. And I’m remembering something from my nine years of Catholic school about this being the very definition of miracle, yes? Something that violates the laws of nature that we mortals are constrained by and that has no rational explanation. If Jesus could make crippled legs whole again, and violate the natural laws that constrain normal doctors, then why couldn’t his healing power also travel faster than the speed of light, and violate the natural laws that constrain physical objects? These people need to spend some time mentally sparring with Jesuits. _That_’ll sharpen their wits. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/83 "2010-08-13T09:31:07Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > From that site: > > > [@](#): > > > > Dr. Duane Gish consistently won his debates with evolutionists.[1] **Presently, leading evolutionists no longer debate creation scientists** > > I wonder why… > > (Bolding mine) [Here’s a longish reference-bearing essay on why debating denialists, including creationists such as ‘intelligent design’ proponents, is a bad idea.](http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/10/denialists_should_not_be_debat.php) In summary, it plays into their hands by helping them maintain the lie they’re after honest debate instead of the destruction of a whole field of science because it isn’t politically correct. And you’ll never win because to win a debate requires the other party be intellectually honest enough to play by some reasonable rules and admit defeat if they lose by those rules. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/84 "2010-08-13T13:58:20Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > Do we need a new word for “fiscal conservative who hates social conservatives?” > > No, just call them “Democrats”. While I currently (as a “fiscal conservative”) vote for mostly Democrats, the idea that the Democract party as a group is fiscally conservative is somewhat to very laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/85 "2010-08-13T14:09:25Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > While I currently (as a “fiscal conservative”) vote for mostly Democrats, the idea that the Democract party as a group is fiscally conservative is somewhat to very laughable. You’ll have seen [this](http://wtfurls.com/daily/images/634.jpg) already. (Although I will concede that no political party is really fiscally conservative - it’s just a difference in what they spend the money on.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/86 "2010-08-13T14:26:36Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > So, a serious question: at what point CAN you throw someone out of your tent for disagreeing with you and your platform? That all depends on who you think owns the tent. Andy Schlafly regular purges Conservapedia contributors on the grounds that they are in some way “liberal”, which is very evidently defined in that instance as “disagreeing in any way with Andy Schlafly”. He would chuck **Rand** out of his tent just as quickly as **Rand** has done to him. Hence the “No True Conservative” crack I made. It’s not a judgment on which one (if either) is correct, just an observation of behavior. The Left seem to be generally less worried about ideological purity except for those on the far (or at least farther) left who never get elected to any office or, really, get taken seriously in any way. Mostly the Left just say “Liberal or not, that dude is _crazy_.” > [@Chessic Sense](#): > > They started painting us righties with the Schlaughly brush, first! Sorry, but Schlafly put himself in the righty camp (the “Conservapedia” name is a bit of a giveaway). But don’t worry - if the rest of us genuinely thought you all were like him, the Republicans would be in serious trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/87 "2010-08-13T14:53:19Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I aim to please. And at phylacteries, in case you missed the subtle pun. Maybe they keep their phylacteries where their heads usually are. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/88 "2010-08-13T14:55:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > While I currently (as a “fiscal conservative”) vote for mostly Democrats, the idea that the Democract party as a group is fiscally conservative is somewhat to very laughable. > > You’ll have seen [this](http://wtfurls.com/daily/images/634.jpg) already. > > (Although I will concede that no political party is really fiscally conservative - it’s just a difference in what they spend the money on.) I already said I currently vote for Democrats. =P ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/89 "2010-08-13T15:17:58Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > Do we need a new word for “fiscal conservative who hates social conservatives?” > > No, just call them “Democrats”. Democrat does not even equal “fiscally _ **sane** _”, let alone “fiscally conservative”. Who’s your dealer, I need some of the dope you’re smoking. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/90 "2010-08-13T15:20:22Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > I aim to please. And at phylacteries, in case you missed the subtle pun. > > Maybe they keep their phylacteries where their heads usually are. You are still going to need at least two shots. First you destroy the phylactry, then you destroy the monster. Otherwise they just regrow a new body elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/91 "2010-08-13T15:29:24Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Democrat does not even equal “fiscally _ **sane** _”, let alone “fiscally conservative”. Who’s your dealer, I need some of the dope you’re smoking. And how many trillions have been spent in Iraq/Afghanistan? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/92 "2010-08-13T15:44:01Z")
It bears mentioning that the Oh-so-enlightened non-religious conservatives in this thread are the oddballs in the tent, not the religious types. The Republican party is a religious party that is incidentally _conservative_. Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/93 "2010-08-13T15:54:14Z")
Remember, comrades, true Conservatism has never been tried. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/94 "2010-08-13T16:14:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It bears mentioning that the Oh-so-enlightened non-religious conservatives in this thread are the oddballs in the tent, not the religious types. The Republican party is a religious party that is incidentally _conservative_. > > Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. > > So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. This is roughly my entire problem with basically every conservative movement since the original Progressives. I don’t think you have any idea how annoying it is on a near-constant basis to some of us that all these idiotic, anti-scientific, pro-regulation, pro-irresponsibility fuckholes somehow managed to wrangle themselves into the public eye as “conservative”. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/95 "2010-08-13T16:33:00Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > It bears mentioning that the Oh-so-enlightened non-religious conservatives in this thread are the oddballs in the tent, not the religious types. The Republican party is a religious party that is incidentally _conservative_. > > > > Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. > > > > So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. > > This is roughly my entire problem with basically every conservative movement since the original Progressives. I don’t think you have any idea how annoying it is on a near-constant basis to some of us that all these idiotic, anti-scientific, pro-regulation, pro-irresponsibility fuckholes somehow managed to wrangle themselves into the public eye as “conservative”. I actually am one of those people that wants debate. But the trouble is that American politics doesn’t agree on the factual issues. Take Global Warming. Most scientists believe it’s happening. Instead of dealing with the “what should we do” question, on which there is a good debate to be had, we’ve got people popularizing pseudo-scientists pretending they’ve proven Global Warming a lie. It’s perfectly reasonable to argue that we don’t need to change anything because of the costs or whatever, but instead the right just pretends there isn’t a problem, short circuiting the debate before step one. I’m not saying the left is blameless, but right now, the conservative side is ruled by angry ignorant people and it’s a fucking shame. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/96 "2010-08-13T19:15:51Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > Democrat does not even equal “fiscally _ **sane** _”, let alone “fiscally conservative”. Who’s your dealer, I need some of the dope you’re smoking. > > And how many trillions have been spent in Iraq/Afghanistan? Well, there ya go. That’s why us fiscal conservatives have always denied that W was one of us. I can give you many more reasons to deny that W was “conservative” in any meaningful sense at all, except “social”, because he was a dipshit fundie. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/97 "2010-08-13T19:51:13Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This is roughly my entire problem with basically every conservative movement since the original Progressives. I don’t think you have any idea how annoying it is on a near-constant basis to some of us that all these idiotic, anti-scientific, pro-regulation, pro-irresponsibility fuckholes somehow managed to wrangle themselves into the public eye as “conservative”. I think you meant pro-deregulation. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/98 "2010-08-13T19:53:58Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. > > So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. I’m pretty sure “evolution is a lie” would be a religious conservative belief. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/99 "2010-08-13T20:36:04Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > [@runner pat](#): > > > > And how many trillions have been spent in Iraq/Afghanistan? > > Well, there ya go. That’s why us fiscal conservatives have always denied that W was one of us. I can give you many more reasons to deny that W was “conservative” in any meaningful sense at all, except “social”, because he was a dipshit fundie. Well, he **was** a heavy supporter of the neoconservative foreign-policy agenda. ---
**Author:** ![GawnFishin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GawnFishin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GawnFishin)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/100 "2010-08-13T21:05:03Z")
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