# E=mc2 is a liberal conspiracy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823 "2010-08-10T14:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/101 "2010-08-13T21:42:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It bears mentioning that the Oh-so-enlightened non-religious conservatives in this thread are the oddballs in the tent, not the religious types. The Republican party is a religious party that is incidentally _conservative_. > > Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. > > So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. > > Last edited by Lobohan; Today at 03:45 PM. Reason: **Jesus made me typo**. The CEO of “Strawmen R Us” Inc. [AKA, a dumbass] checks in, and as his edit says, Jesus made him do it. Admittedly, it’s better than the usual “The Debil made me do it”… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/102 "2010-08-13T21:59:59Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > It bears mentioning that the Oh-so-enlightened non-religious conservatives in this thread are the oddballs in the tent, not the religious types. The Republican party is a religious party that is incidentally _conservative_. > > > > Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. > > > > So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. > > > > Last edited by Lobohan; Today at 03:45 PM. Reason: **Jesus made me typo**. > > The CEO of “Strawmen R Us” Inc. [AKA, a dumbass] checks in, and as his edit says, Jesus made him do it. Admittedly, it’s better than the usual “The Debil made me do it”… :rolleyes: I’m sorry I don’t speak retard. Once again, luv? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/103 "2010-08-13T22:06:28Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This is roughly my entire problem with basically every conservative movement since the original Progressives… Progressives = conservatives??? What dumbass history (history of dumbasses) book have you been reading? Progressive was/still is left, not right. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/104 "2010-08-13T22:28:22Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > The CEO of “Strawmen R Us” Inc. [AKA, a dumbass] checks in, and as his edit says, Jesus made him do it. Admittedly, it’s better than the usual “The Debil made me do it”… :rolleyes: > > I’m sorry I don’t speak retard. Once again, luv? Lets spell this out in words of one syl… uh, short words so you will get it. Your entire post was nothing but a [“strawman”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) argument. You claim that “conservative = [everything that you posted]”, when, in fact, most conservatives reject many of the ideas you used. Your argument appears to be “I can find one dumbass who believes everything I posted, and calls himself ‘conservative’, so therefore EVERYONE who calls himself ‘conservative’ believes what I posted.” You are wrong. So very wrong, that the whites of your eyes are turning brown. You are a dumbass… Do you need further clarification? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/105 "2010-08-13T22:28:50Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > This thread shows the need to have a national conversation (or at least an SDMB conversation) on what a “conservative” is. The dude in the OP, while the founder of a “conservative” website, seems to be motivated in this regard by simple religiosity. Lots of religious people are conservatives, but that doesn’t mean that any idea thought up by a religious person is a “conservative” idea. Well, he calls his “conservative” website “Conservapedia” which does seem to imply that he considers himself and his views to be “conservative.” Maybe “conservatives” should have a conversation amongst themselves to determine what is actually conservative and what is merely “conservative.” In other words, he’s your raving wackadoo. You sort him out. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/106 "2010-08-13T22:48:10Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > This thread shows the need to have a national conversation (or at least an SDMB conversation) on what a “conservative” is. The dude in the OP, while the founder of a “conservative” website, seems to be motivated in this regard by simple religiosity. Lots of religious people are conservatives, but that doesn’t mean that any idea thought up by a religious person is a “conservative” idea. > > Well, he calls his “conservative” website “Conservapedia” which does seem to imply that he considers himself and his views to be “conservative.” Maybe “conservatives” should have a conversation amongst themselves to determine what is actually conservative and what is merely “conservative.” > > In other words, he’s your raving wackadoo. You sort him out. Very true, but your average KKK member will _ **claim** _ to be ‘an average white person’. Can we reasonably take him at his word? Does he speak for me? Or even anyone I know? _ **FUCK NO!** _. Congradulations! You have managed to construct a valid "[strawman](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) argument… ETA: I forgot to end that by calling you a DUMBASS! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/107 "2010-08-13T23:19:16Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > [@runner pat](#): > > > > And how many trillions have been spent in Iraq/Afghanistan? > > Well, there ya go. That’s why us fiscal conservatives have always denied that W was one of us. I can give you many more reasons to deny that W was “conservative” in any meaningful sense at all, except “social”, because he was a dipshit fundie. Wasn’t it terrible how those Dems forced the tax cuts through Congress? And I’m sure conservatives spend a lot of time by the fire reminiscing about those anti-war marches they went on. Now when Bush did start trying to get something humane through, like his immigration reform package, then the conservatives revolted. Your policies caused the country to melt down, and it is damn dishonest to pretend now that they weren’t your policies. And, this being the real world, supporting policies which will cause disaster if not implemented 100% is asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/108 "2010-08-13T23:22:33Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > Not that the non-religious conservative is necessarily any more sane. Off the top of my head, there are a panoply of beliefs that equal 21st century conservative: Global Warming is a lie, Universal Healthcare is less efficient, stimulus during a recession is bad, gay marriage is somehow bad, draconian immigration steps are necessary (fence, mass deportation, etc.), evolution is a lie, cutting taxes is always the right answer and something incoherent about tyranny. > > > > So don’t feel too superior non-religious conservatives. You’re fucking wackos too. > > > > Last edited by Lobohan; Today at 03:45 PM. Reason: **Jesus made me typo**. > > The CEO of “Strawmen R Us” Inc. [AKA, a dumbass] checks in, and as his edit says, Jesus made him do it. Admittedly, it’s better than the usual “The Debil made me do it”… :rolleyes: So, all those Republican presidential candidates denying evolution during the debate are not conservative, or going against the mainstream of the party? When is the last time one of them said not cutting taxes was the right thing? Which one of them has admitted that European “socialist” medicine is more efficient? Or are there no real conservatives except you and the ghost of William F. Buckley. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/109 "2010-08-14T00:25:52Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > This is roughly my entire problem with basically every conservative movement since the original Progressives… > > Progressives = conservatives??? What dumbass history (history of dumbasses) book have you been reading? Progressive was/still is left, not right. [That’s what it means **now.**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=496350) The Progressives of the [Progressive Era](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_era) were . . . well, put it this way, they were in definite opposition to the Socialists, who were almost a big deal then. But I wouldn’t call them “conservative” either. They were upper-class and upper-middle-class reformers. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/110 "2010-08-14T00:33:30Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > Well, there ya go. That’s why us fiscal conservatives have always denied that W was one of us. I can give you many more reasons to deny that W was “conservative” in any meaningful sense at all, except “social”, because he was a dipshit fundie. > > Wasn’t it terrible how those Dems forced the tax cuts through Congress? And I’m sure conservatives spend a lot of time by the fire reminiscing about those anti-war marches they went on. > Now when Bush did start trying to get something humane through, like his immigration reform package, then the conservatives revolted. > > Your policies caused the country to melt down, and it is damn dishonest to pretend now that they weren’t your policies. And, this being the real world, supporting policies which will cause disaster if not implemented 100% is asinine. Repugnican =/= conservative. Any attempts by Repugnican party candidates to portray themselves as such is likely bullshit, as we conservatives have found out, to our detriment, for the past couple of decades. At least you lefties can rely on your Democrat dogs (except, possibly for the blue ones) to “leftify the world”. Us righties can only rely on Repugs to “not leftify the world” very fast. I envy you your political dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/111 "2010-08-14T00:55:07Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > The CEO of “Strawmen R Us” Inc. [AKA, a dumbass] checks in, and as his edit says, Jesus made him do it. Admittedly, it’s better than the usual “The Debil made me do it”… :rolleyes: > > So, all those Republican presidential candidates denying evolution during the debate are not conservative, or going against the mainstream of the party? When is the last time one of them said not cutting taxes was the right thing? Which one of them has admitted that European “socialist” medicine is more efficient? > > Or are there no real conservatives except you and the ghost of William F. Buckley. Well there have apparently been no rational lefties since Daniel Patrick Moynahan died. You are a perfect example of the idiots the left has been presenting since he died. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/112 "2010-08-14T01:21:18Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > [@Voyager](#): > > > > So, all those Republican presidential candidates denying evolution during the debate are not conservative, or going against the mainstream of the party? When is the last time one of them said not cutting taxes was the right thing? Which one of them has admitted that European “socialist” medicine is more efficient? > > > > Or are there no real conservatives except you and the ghost of William F. Buckley. > > Well there have apparently been no rational lefties since Daniel Patrick Moynahan died. You are a perfect example of the idiots the left has been presenting since he died. Hah! Even if I disagree a little bit with \*\*Voyager \*\*regarding Artificial Intelligence (the scientific subject, not the assumption that you even have a real one), he is smarter than you. In GD I already sized you up, you will swallow any unscientific ideas from the right wing regarding global warming and other subjects so you can not even hold a candle to him. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/113 "2010-08-14T01:21:33Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Repugnican =/= conservative. Any attempts by Repugnican party candidates to portray themselves as such is likely bullshit, as we conservatives have found out, to our detriment, for the past couple of decades. Just who, other than yourself, **do** you consider conservative? Any names we would recognize? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/114 "2010-08-14T01:47:49Z")
I hate to pull a Godwin, but this is starting to sound like one of those arguments that Hitler/Nazism was actually leftist. There are many different types of conservatives, just like there are different types of liberals. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/115 "2010-08-14T06:25:56Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > This is roughly my entire problem with basically every conservative movement since the original Progressives. I don’t think you have any idea how annoying it is on a near-constant basis to some of us that all these idiotic, anti-scientific, pro-regulation, pro-irresponsibility fuckholes somehow managed to wrangle themselves into the public eye as “conservative”. > > I think you meant pro-deregulation. Depends on what we’re regulating, and I think they’re definitely pro-regulating abortion and pro-regulating-same-sex-marriage and pro-regulating-non-Christian-faiths–all of which are abhorrent positions. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/116 "2010-08-15T00:57:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > Well there have apparently been no rational lefties since Daniel Patrick Moynahan died. You are a perfect example of the idiots the left has been presenting since he died. > > Hah! > > Even if I disagree a little bit with \*\*Voyager \*\*regarding Artificial Intelligence (the scientific subject, not the assumption that you even have a real one), he is smarter than you. > > In GD I already sized you up, you will swallow any unscientific ideas from the right wing regarding global warming and other subjects so you can not even hold a candle to him. And where, precisely, do you get that? I don’t recall EVER posting anything on “global warming”, either denying or supporting, to this or any other forum. I may have made an “aside” type comment on the subject, but I have never done a **Dio** about it. You seem to be attributing something to me that I didn’t say. Please, quote me, and cite (with URL) your source for my alledged statements. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/117 "2010-08-15T01:24:39Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > > > Repugnican =/= conservative. Any attempts by Repugnican party candidates to portray themselves as such is likely bullshit, as we conservatives have found out, to our detriment, for the past couple of decades. > > Just who, other than yourself, **do** you consider conservative? Any names we would recognize? William F. Buckley Walter Williams Thomas Sowell Michael Adams W. E. B. Du Bois Martin Luther King John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jeane Kirkpatrick Florence King Shall I continue? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/118 "2010-08-15T02:28:06Z")
Du Bois? King? Men engaged in a lifelong struggle to change the injustice of the social order of America are somehow _conservative_? Well, might as well chuck in Norman Thomas and Bertrand Russel. What the heck, Pope John XXIII and the Dalai Lama as well, why screw around? King Arthur, Sitting Bull, Edgar Allen Poe. Jesus, of course, goes without saying… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/119 "2010-08-15T02:33:19Z")
They’re calling themselves Repugnicans, now? ---
**Author:** ![Oldeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@Oldeb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oldeb)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/120 "2010-08-15T02:59:01Z")
John. F. Kennedy, the _Democrat_? The guy who created the Peace Corp? He was a “True Conservative”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823.md?page=7)