# E=mc2 is a liberal conspiracy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823 "2010-08-10T14:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/141 "2010-08-17T17:09:33Z")
As for economic conservatism, well an ungenerous social safety net, keeping spending to a minimum and an aversion to debt can be considered conservative in a basic sense. But an aversion to regulations and an unfetterd marketplace seem to fly in the face of what is conservative in the first sense, and is only conservative in a round-about sense in that they are part of a cherished tradition in the US. The term “economic liberalism” certainly has been used to describe this sort of climate. However it does lend itself to classism, which is traditional as well as at times a restrictive influence. So in other words, an unregulated “liberal” yet traditional free market enhances to ability of businessmen to become wealthy and powerful and thus enhances their ability to keep out the riff-raff. ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/142 "2010-08-17T20:38:33Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > > [@Lare](#): > > > > I thought the church had Mass. Usually on Sunday mornings.😕 > > If my experience as a kid trying to remain standing during services is anything to go by, gravity increases during Mass. Duh ! Why do you think it’s called **Mass**? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/143 "2010-09-28T03:55:06Z")
Suck on **THIS** , Conservapedia: [Ultraprecise clock rates vary with tiny differences in speed and elevation](http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=time-dilation) E=m cool[sup]2[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/144 "2010-09-28T04:11:03Z")
> [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > Suck on **THIS** , Conservapedia: [Ultraprecise clock rates vary with tiny differences in speed and elevation](http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=time-dilation) E=m cool[sup]2[/sup] I can tell you a typical response, “Big deal. My watches run at slightly different rates sitting next to each other in the sock drawer. And they’re quartz!!” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/145 "2010-09-28T06:01:32Z")
I’m mildly curious which of the Conservapedia pages, if any, have a bullshit quotient of less than 5%. ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/146 "2010-09-28T07:01:08Z")
all i know is that conservapedia makes the baby jesus cry. ---
**Author:** ![Baboonanza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f475e1/32.png) [@Baboonanza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baboonanza)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/147 "2010-09-28T10:58:24Z")
It seems to me that part of the problem is that most peoploe who label themselves as ‘Conservatives’ are actually Regressives. They want to turn the US back to the 1950s when women and minorities knew their place, everyone was God-fearing (or at least pretended to be) and the American white-man ruled the earth. To be fair, they would have been conservatives _in the 1950s_ but time has left them behind. So you end up with legitimate conservative views, things like ‘change should be slow and measured’ or ‘the Government should spend within it’s budget’ mixed in with all the Regressive ‘I want it to be like the Good Old Days’ nuttery. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/148 "2010-09-28T18:00:24Z")
> [@Baboonanza](#): > > ‘the Government should spend within it’s budget’ This has never been Conservative doctrine. It’s always been what they claimed, until they got into office and started spending like drunken sailors while giving the richest people tax breaks. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/149 "2010-09-28T20:26:44Z")
More and more, I get the feeling that it would be easier to get the Democratic Party to embrace some more conservative economic ideas than it would be to get the Republican Party to not be completely insane and ridiculous… And the economic stuff that bothers me seems less and less of a big deal compared to this fundie bullshit that so many people are spouting. (or is just that they’re louder?) I’m an unabashed captitalist - why the hell should that require supporting complete fuckwads who don’t believe in evolution, relativity, or civil liberties? Bah. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/150 "2010-09-28T21:16:01Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I’m an unabashed captitalist - why the hell should that require supporting complete fuckwads who don’t believe in evolution, relativity, or civil liberties? Bah. If you really want an answer to this, it begins with Nixon and the [Southern Strategy.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy) Quoting Kevin Phillips, a Nixon strategist (Boyd, James (May 17, 1970). “Nixon’s Southern strategy: ‘It’s All in the Charts’”. The New York Times. pp. 215): > [@](#): > > From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats. This meant that Republicans had to get in bed with the Wallace vote, an unabashedly racist contingent of social conservatives, and _that_ meant cozying up to their religious groups and giving them deals. This takes you straight to setting up and knocking down a straw-man version of evolutionary theory called ‘Darwinism’ (as if modern biology were the worship of Charles Darwin), insisting that real sex ed makes kids promiscuous little faggots and dykes, and, at one time, insinuating that AIDS isn’t a problem for Real Americans. The big money Republicans don’t care much about that; they get their tax breaks and regulatory agencies get defanged and that’s all right for them. Meanwhile, the Falwell contingent gets its agenda in the form of Intelligent Design being debated as if it were a real science like what the grown-ups have, marriage being restricted to one man and one woman [del]of the same race[/del] (coming soon… ), and any medical research they disagree with losing funding because Good Americans don’t really _need_ an Alzheimer’s cure. It’s a Big Tent party in the classic, most horse-trading sense. It has managed to collect some of the worst elements in or near the mainstream of American politics and I despair of it ever getting shut of them. ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823/151 "2010-09-28T21:25:43Z")
has anyone noticed that it doesn’t matter which side of the ideological fence you’re standing on, once you win a national election your IQ plummets. ‘he’s a genius, he’s a rocket scientist…he gets elected to office…he’s playing with his poopoo behind a 7-11,’ to quote Henry Rollins. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/e-mc2-is-a-liberal-conspiracy/549823.md?page=7)