# Early frontrunner for biggest fucking douche of 2003 is... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2003, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083 "2003-01-21T23:21:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SirRay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@SirRay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirRay)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/21 "2003-01-22T15:01:51Z")
I was wondering about those 13 year olds back in 1968 with Tattoos and Body Piercing. Heck, 10 years later, when I was 13, the minute handful of teenage guys who wore an (one!) earring were razzed quite a bit… ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/22 "2003-01-22T15:13:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > And MY point is, **Rhum Runner** , if people have been saying this shit for years it should be pretty easy to find an actual article that says what you’re claiming. You can’t just make things up and then use that fabrication to prove your argument. I think it might be hard to find most newspaper/magazine articles from the '60s and earlier online. However, I do know that people freaked out over Elvis and his hip gyrations when he started out; he was shown from the waist-up only on at least one TV appearance. Rock and roll wasn’t seen as all sweet and innocent by a long shot. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/23 "2003-01-22T15:20:31Z")
Summers Eve! ---
**Author:** ![CRorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CRorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CRorex)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/24 "2003-01-22T16:10:19Z")
I thought John Edwards already won biggest Douche for 03? Don’t tell me south park lied! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/25 "2003-01-22T16:34:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\*Weren’t there riots at the premier of Stravinsky’s _Firebird Suite_ too? \*\* Excuse my pedantry, but… No. The **Suite** came out many years after the **Ballet** , and so was well accepted into the mainstream by then. Even then, the **Ballet** was met with acceptance. It was considered new and unusual, but not scandalous. However **The Rite of Spring** , which was a **Ballet** , premiered about 2 years after Firebird. That caused a riot on opening night, and supposedly someone was stabbed (who the hell takes tomatoes to the ballet?). It has been argued that it was the staging, not the music, that caused the uproar. After all, during a riot, who is listening to the music? This proves 3 things: 1. I’m far too pedantic. 2. Those French are way too uptight 3. Bill O’Reilly is still a :wally ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/26 "2003-01-22T16:53:53Z")
I kinda like O’Reilly. But, I’m dying to hear what Drudge has on him. He’s been foreshadowing it for months & claims it will topple him. If you wanna nominate a real copulating masengill, I recommend either: Michael Savage: The pit-bull from the hard right or Phil Donahue: The old-leftist who single-handedly is destroying MSNBC’s prime-time ratings. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/27 "2003-01-22T17:58:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferret Herder \* > **I think it might be hard to find most newspaper/magazine articles from the '60s and earlier online** How’s this? (Okay, I cheated and used a book. I’m just a Luddite) “It all happened at the Klaw Theatre Sunday Night March 4, 1923.” (originally published as a broadsheet on bright orange paper) They played a quartet by Bela Bartok; someone sang; Marie Miller and Charles Salzedo presented Mr. Salzedo’s sonata for harp and piano; someone sang; and Leo Ornstein played beautifully his own sonata and something of Haydn as an encore; and then **EDGAR VARESE** conducted his **“HYPERPRISM”** (_first performance_) for Flute, Clarinet, 2 Trumpets, 2 French Horns, 2 Trombones, and Percussion played by the faculty and pupils of the Dalcroze School of Eurythmics at the International Composer’s Guild just as we’re going to press so we thought we’d mention it He played it once: **WILD ENTHUSIASM** A gentleman jumped up on the stage and said **This is a Serious Work Those Who Don’t Like It PLEASE GO** A gentlemen in the front row orchestra gave him some **BACK TALK** Some gentlemen in the gallery said: **GET OUT GET OUT** Mr. Varese Began to repeat “Hyperprism” but someone **LAUGHED** Mr. Varese **TURNED AROUND AND GLARED** while the orchestra stopped and waited **SILENCE HAVING BEEN RESTORED MR. VARESE PERFORMED “HYPERPRISM” A SECOND TIME** ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/28 "2003-01-22T18:03:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > How’s this? > > (Okay, I cheated and used a book. I’m just a Luddite) Books are good. 😃 I used one in a recent GQ discussion on religions vs. philosophies - but if I was at work at the time, like I am right now, I wouldn’t have access to it. I was generalizing from that I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/29 "2003-01-22T18:10:56Z")
Now if Mr O’Really were to appear wearing some of the Ballet Russe’s [costumes](http://www.nga.gov.au/Russia/Folklore/Fire.html), then life would be a little more interesting. NB for all you potential flaming ballet dancers, the link is to a costume from The Firebird. AFAIK, no pictures of the Rite of Spring exist out there on the web. I once saw the original designs, but for real, not online. They resembled bondage versions of a bandaged Boris Karloff in Frankenstein. Enough to make most ballet attendtees to riot IMHO. Oh, and Firebird premiered in 1910, Rite of Spring in 1913. That’s three years apart, not two. Who would have thought that Bill O’Really had so much in common with reactionary upper class jerks :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![zwaldd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a9adbd/32.png) [@zwaldd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zwaldd)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/30 "2003-01-22T18:23:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*And MY point is, **Rhum Runner** , if people have been saying this shit for years it should be pretty easy to find an actual article that says what you’re claiming. You can’t just make things up and then use that fabrication to prove your argument. \*\* Crap, here I am coming to someone’s defense in the Pit again…I must be a glutton for punishment. I think Rhum Runner’s parody was aimed at people who were familiar with anti-rock 'n roll rhetoric and didn’t need a cite to appreciate the irony. Like if I made a Bill Clinton/blowjob joke without providing a cite to prove there was some connection between Bill Clinton and blowjobs. I think the reason we haven’t heard something like this recently that would necessarily be available on the Internet, is that the concept of 'those kids and their rock ‘n roll’ is so cliche that only a complete imbecile would fail to see how pointless it is for an adult to rant about the evils of pop music. To wit, Bill O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![SojournerSamson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SojournerSamson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SojournerSamson)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/31 "2003-01-22T19:05:22Z")
So how did O’Reilly link Eminem to “our undefended borders”? He always brings a rant to borders. Was he traumatized in early childhood by a trip to Mexico? A vote to Donald Rumsfeld;a foot-to-mouth idjit if there ever was one. ---
**Author:** ![StikyIcky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@StikyIcky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StikyIcky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/32 "2003-01-22T21:16:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CRorex \* > \*\*I thought John Edwards already won biggest Douche for 03? > Don’t tell me south park lied! \*\* I’m certain that episode first aired in 2002. Therefore, John Edward(s) is the Biggest Douche in the Universe '02. Thus, O’Reilly, along with Bertha the Enormous Douche, are your early leaders in this year’s contest. South Park wouldn’t lie to you. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/33 "2003-01-22T22:06:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*No, you’re not being whooshed. I will admit that I was but I had never actually read the link in the OP so I had nothing to compare the parody to. > > “Point is, people have been saying this shit for years, and I suppose they will continue to do so into infinity.” > > And MY point is, **Rhum Runner** , if people have been saying this shit for years it should be pretty easy to find an actual article that says what you’re claiming. You can’t just make things up and then use that fabrication to prove your argument. \*\* Look, I thought it was a well established, and well known part of pop culture/ American history that when Rock 'n Roll came onto the scene it was decried as the end of the world etc. Remember, they wouldn’t show Elvis’s hips on tv? (Nods to **Ferret Herder** )(no, I will not take the time to find a cite) Ok, so I thought that by simply changing the word Eminem to The Rolling Stones, and incerting same into O’Reilly’s editorial I could make the point of how increadibly stupid and over the top his position is. I guess I assume that people read the links, or at least click on them, before posting, in which case I thought they would have noticed that my post was a simple rewording of O’Reilly. I wasn’t trying to deceive anyone, nor am I trying to make a fact based argument, just trying to point out that he is covering some pretty tired ground. Sorry for all of this, and thanks to **tdn** for correcting my classical music reference. And damn the French too! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/34 "2003-01-23T00:49:43Z")
**zwaldd** , it’s fairly common knowledge that there was a scandal concerning Clinton and blowjobs. No cites are really necessary unless someone is quite ignorant and needs educating. Likewise, it’s somewhat well known that the “evils” of Rock-n-roll have been around for awhile and so that statement alone doesn’t cause me much concern. But if someone had come in here posted a news article about Lewinsky but replaced all instances of Clinton with JFK and all instances of Lewinsky with Marilyn Monroe and used it to prove their point that politicians have always had to deal with sex scandals…well, I think you can see the problem. Your conclusion may be valid but your evidence still doesn’t prove anything. That all said, I should have realized it was a parody and I over reacted in my reply. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/35 "2003-01-23T01:26:06Z")
Okay, good. Now everyone kiss and make up and sing “Kum by Ah” and say nice things about me for TYPING OUT A FUCKING 1923 ORANGE BROADSHEET OUT OF A BOOK instead of cutting and pasting from the Internet like the rest of you wieners. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/36 "2003-01-23T02:49:35Z")
\ Love you Cliffy. Hey, by any chance, do you ever read _Stereophile_ magazine? I used to, gave it up a few months ago, anyway, there is a columnist, Sam Telling, who is always going on and on about how much he loves Ukulele Ike. ---
**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/37 "2003-01-23T03:05:55Z")
So what will be ‘lowering the bar’ 10 years from now? Will we eventually reach a point when noone can fit under it? ---
**Author:** ![Fearless\_Freap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e56c9b/32.png) [@Fearless\_Freap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fearless_Freap)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/38 "2003-01-23T03:22:52Z")
Eminem may be the People’s Choice, but he is as harmful to America as any Al Qaeda fanatic-Bill O Gee. I didn’t see where he said Al Qaeda flagship backseat driver, did I? If you don’t like Billy boy that’s ok, he doesn’t like little white rapper either. So what? I don’t see where he has halted rapper pukes free speech either. I do see the pseudo rapper puke capitalizing on the impressionable minds of our youth, and he does so with the thought in mind that his own product isn’t acceptable for the ears of his own child. Billy boy may have hit your nerve, but our pseudo rapper puke is a walking , talking, hypocritical piece of shit. Live and let live, his opinion and expression of such isn’t any less emotionally charged than your own, or mine even. People! ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/39 "2003-01-23T03:29:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MelCthefirst \* > \*\*So what will be ‘lowering the bar’ 10 years from now? > Will we eventually reach a point when noone can fit under it? \*\* Ever heard of GG Allin? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083/40 "2003-01-23T03:34:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fearless Freap \* > \*\*Eminem may be the People’s Choice, but he is as harmful to America as any Al Qaeda fanatic-Bill O > > Gee. I didn’t see where he said Al Qaeda flagship backseat driver, did I? If you don’t like Billy boy that’s ok, he doesn’t like little white rapper either. So what? I don’t see where he has halted rapper pukes free speech either. I do see the pseudo rapper puke capitalizing on the impressionable minds of our youth, and he does so with the thought in mind that his own product isn’t acceptable for the ears of his own child. Billy boy may have hit your nerve, but our pseudo rapper puke is a walking , talking, hypocritical piece of shit. > > Live and let live, his opinion and expression of such isn’t any less emotionally charged than your own, or mine even. > > People! \*\* Comparing Eminem to Al Quaeda is like comparing O’Reilly to Hitler. It’s pointless over-the-top-ism and it draws the attention away from people who have well thought out reasoning and arguments. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-frontrunner-for-biggest-fucking-douche-of-2003-is/150083.md?page=3)